• wirebeads@lemmy.ca
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    Never forget that Donald Trump is a rapist and a pedophile and has started a war murdering innocent people because he doesn’t want the truth of what he actually is to be out there.

    He raped young children. He is a filthy rapist. Remember.

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      Also worth noting that this was civil court, not criminal. In criminal court, pleading the fifth simply means you’re refusing to testify against yourself. In criminal cases, you still have the presumption of innocence, so pleading the fifth isn’t an admission of guilt.

      But the reason the civil/criminal distinction is notable is because civil court uses the fifth amendment against you. If you plead the fifth in civil court, jurors are instructed to presume that the testimony would be damning. The presumption of innocence doesn’t exist in civil court, so pleading the fifth isn’t going to help your case.

      The only reason you would plead the fifth in civil court is to avoid having your civil testimony used against you in criminal court. For instance, if you committed a rape and end up in civil court, pleading the fifth can be a way to avoid being criminally charged with rape. Because if you admit it under oath in civil court, the criminal court can use it against you. But it will almost certainly hurt your civil case, because pleading the fifth to avoid criminal charges will have the civil courts presuming guilt.

      Basically, if he plead the fifth 80 times, that was 80 times that the civil courts told jurors “presume his testimony would implicate him in {whatever he is accused of}.”

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    Can we not set a narrative that exercising your constitutional rights is sketch? It’s not.

    Trump is a convicted criminal. I’d rather count the times per week he’s spoke a lie publicly. Or the estimated number of people his policies have killed. Or the number of war crimes he’s committed.

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      Really, as a convicted criminal, Donald Trump should be spending more time practicing the fine art of shutting the fuck up.

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        My dog will sneak food whenever no one’s watching, and she knows it’s wrong, but it doesn’t stop her. When we eventually catch her she acts very guilty about it because she knows she did something bad or that she did something she wasn’t supposed to do. She keeps doing it though, but shows remorse or at least guilt when caught.

        My dog, who eats cat turds from the litter box, displays more human emotion than this steaming pile of elephant dung.

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      I agree with your basic premise but anybody who holds any public office should not be granted full rights, leaders need to be forced to give up most of their privacy rights including the ability to invoke the 5th. We need to be sure that they are not lying to us (even state sponsored lies, as a single lie from the government voids any notion of “democracy”) that they are not able to be blackmailed/easily coerced, and that they are accountable for their actions.