• ✺roguetrick✺@lemmy.world
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    It’s almost like the rich themselves aren’t the drivers of the economy but instead it’s the financial infrastructure and the actual producers and they’re dependent on that. Funny idea.

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        Depends on what you mean by economy and financial infrastructure but in the West you’re mostly right. Since globally we’re a market economy dependent on trade, you’d still need financial infrastructure no matter what, even if you’re talking about building loans for starting co-ops or whatever. That doesn’t mean you have to allow capital accumulation to run wild. But the West is built around rent seeking and largely increasing asset pricing. Hell if property values go down and people aren’t able to extract rents from the productive economy most Western nations view that as an economic crisis. They’ll quickly sacrifice employment to prevent that. That’s why it’s so attractive to park capital in Western real estate and other nonproductive “capital”. At least until the parasite grows so large that, whoops the economy can’t run anymore. As it stands there’s a homeostatic mechanism that allows this rent seeking to exist while also essentially forcing some of the productive capital to be funded to see enough returns to also grow to a degree. They call this hedging. But even in those cases they’re largely investing in things that create financial moats like AI is proposed to be though extremely expensive infrastructure or through consolidaton and regulatorh capture like what’s happening in US healthcare vs investing in capital that will compete in a commodity market.

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      Exactly this. If the infrastructure is good, you get a well educated, productive, reliable workforce. The rich need to be taxed, for their own good. Many of them realise this and welcome it, because they can’t do it for themselves. The government has a duty to do it.
      Personally I’m for the transfer of ownership of the means of production to the working class, or workplace democratisation at the very least, but even neoliberals should be on board with a wealth tax, regardless of the fact that a side effect is a more enjoyable life for the riffraff.

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      this is less a “the rich will leave” and a “more people became ‘rich’ because of inflation and loss of purchasing power”

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    Florida just ended PROPERTY taxes, so now the rich don’t have to pay state income taxes OR property taxes on their big estates.

    So how do we pay for police, fire department, education, roads, etc.? They didn’t bother to discuss that at all, they just passed it.

    So INTELLIGENT rich people understand that Florida is about to be a state full of uneducated people, poor police presence, crumbling infrastructure, and worse. It won’t be long before desperate people realize where all the money is, and know that police response will be slow.

    Better to move to a city on the rise, like NYC, and live where the Police Commissioner is a billionaire nepo-baby, who sees her primary job as protecting the wealthy.

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    Damn I honestly wish it made them leave. Theres a strategy in there that ends with a sort of forced Atlas Shrugged situation, except they dont have magic electricity to keep the lights on.

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      I’d prefer for none of them to leave. They want to make it hard for labourers? We can do the same to them.

      Let them undergo the labour conditions that they subjected their worst-off servants to. Let them be confiscated of all their wealth and that wealth redistributed among all former wage slaves.

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    Not only that, but they also want to live in functioning cities with normal, nice people.

    Which is considerably easier to achieve IF THEY PY THEIR FUCKING TAXES

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    It was always a transparent bluff, there’s no way they would actually go live in the third-world shithole states their pet politicians have created

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    Sorry to be that guy, but the headline in the photo says “Millionaire” with an M. That’s not necessarily uber wealthy, especially in New York. Most NYC millionaires are working class, depending on whether you lump centimillionaires in that category.

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      Most NYC millionaires are working class

      I mean, it depends on how you define the term. Approximately 8% of Americans are defined as individuals with a net worth in excess of a million dollars. Most of the millionaires I know are just retirees, or people on the brink of retirement, who have accumulated 401ks / retirement funds + real estate in excess of a million dollars. Given the exploding price of housing, this isn’t a terribly hard bar to clear so long as you got into the market before the 21st century. My aunt bought a flat in Lower Manhattan in the 1970s for around $80k and now it’s worth north of $3M.

      The bigger problem is household debts - educational debts, credit card debts, outstanding mortgage payments, etc - plus the burndown of late-stage retirement caused by end-of-life medical costs and care.

      But when you get into multi-millionaires (particularly decimillionaires and centimillionaires) you’re getting into a level of wealth that provides a million or more dollars of passive income annually. And that’s a very different socio-economic condition to be in.

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      The text says the tax is on “incomes over $25M”. There’s no need to be pedantic about it especially when the headline reads “Millionaire Class” which wouldn’t reasonably be associated with a pensioner with a couple million in a retirement account.

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      they will never leave nyc and cali. having a house there is a status symbol, and that is all the wealthy care about.

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    Of course not.

    Imagine feasting at an all-you-can-eat buffet with all variations of food from all over the world, and then the waiter informs you that you can have as much of everything as you like for free, except that you’re not allowed to eat the last slice of cucumber if there’s only one left.

    Would you leave?

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      hell no i’d hook the wait staff up with weed so i could come back for free every day. build a [COMPETITIVE ALL YOU CAN EAT LOUNGE] off to one side where we have daily challenges like highest stack of tortilla chips without making a fucking mess, and when you win you get your polaroid up on the wall of shame

      i’d guard that slice of cucumber with a fork

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    I mean, with inflation as it stands, you’d expect the rate of increase in the number of millionaires to be growing nationwide.

    Sort of the joke with inflation. On a long enough timeline, everyone becomes a millionaire.