Can someone explain to me how my state got everything else right for the most part but went stupid for this one?
Literally, let’s inspect little girls privates, but not boys, because 10 trans students exist and MIGHT want to play sports with their friends? Jesus.
It was also kind of disgusting that literally all our state initiatives were funded by a 1%-er, Brian Heywood and his Let’s Go Washingtion PAC.
Edit: couple transphobes showing their colors here. Not only do they have a bad understanding of how hormones affect the body, degrading muscle mass and bone density in trans women for example, it also is just a dog whistle and avoids the real issue.
Segregating trans folk from sports is just another way to demoralize and dehumanize a small subset of the population. “If you’re not trans, you can play sports with your friends. You’re not really a girl/boy anyway.” It’s disgusting. Do we need trans drinking fountains too? It’s attempting to instill these thoughts into children. In children’s sports. Which are just kids playing together and enjoying their lives. It SHOULD NOT MATTER if a boy plays soccer with a girl or a girl plays football with a boy. Let kids be fucking kids. Ask kids after they play with each other if one of them should be excluded. The kids understand it better than the adults pushing narratives who often don’t even have children. The kids just want to play together and do a better job of being accepting in group play than these conservative, lonely incels.
Trans women aren’t men and taking HRT impacts your muscle mass, etc.
There is a wealth of scientific literature about the effects of HRT. This isn’t new or unexplored. But apeals to fairness in sports, based on a poor understanding of the science, is being used as cudgel against trans folks. As a wedge issue to bar us from being about to exist freely in public life.
The fact that the sports ban policies that come out of this, also impact cis women and girls, be exposing them to genital checks and the like, are a bonus for the kinds of backward reactionaries who push this shit
read this:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9331831/
Even after years of therapy, there are still remaining advantages that trans women possess; Lung capacity, heart size, bone density, more advantageous skeletal structure, residual strength advantages, etc…
Going down that route we have to face the fact in just about every sport segmented between the sexes it all comes down to peoples individual genetic advantages which would end up doing exactly what you want to happen to trans athletes but on much much larger scale as we’d have to ban anyone that’s over a certain threshold in their relative sport.
Too tall, can’t play basketball/volleyball/football. Etc etc.
There are differences between sporadic genetic advantages and distinct highly consistent physical advantages between the sexes. We already separate sports by sex for a reason. If you are against separating male and female athletes however, I guess we could look at things as you’re trying to frame them. We would just get rid of women’s leagues entirely and let women have the same shot as their male counterparts to find entry into sports. I have a feeling women would not be happy about this though.
Yes but you are arguing with the fact individuals have genetic advantages, therefore if it’s bad in one way you have to remove all of the ones with advantages.
If your only argument for banning specific people is they grew up in a way that gave them an advantage you must remove anyone that could have it. Basically means removing the Olympics as it’s entirely comprised of those with genetic advantages.
No. I’m really not. I’m just saying that a sex with clear and sharp advantages over another one should probably not be allowed to compete against the other.
It’s literally what you’re saying just with sex as the arbitrary boundary.
if there’s advantages that should not be allowed
I’m sorry if you disagree here, but I do not believe sex is an arbitrary boundary. If it were we wouldn’t have any women’s leagues because there would be no need for them.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9331831/
^ the source you cited is the one saying that. I’m simply pointing out if we remove all advantages like you want it means alot needs to change. None of which is related to trans athletes having an advantage
Should we ban tall people from playing basketball?
no, but going off what the findings were in the article it would probably be unfair to let transwomen compete against biological women.
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ok, so like the other person i responded to, you also believe we should scrap womens leagues? let them play against men?
You seem like a gem btw.
Women’s sports leagues exist to serve a social function, not a biological one. Plenty of women can kick a man’s ass. Asserting that women are just weak, frail, and need protection from big strong men, sucks and is wrong.
We’re strangers on the internet. You don’t know me, and I don’t know you. But i have to hear transphobic garbage on a regular basis, and I have no interest in being cordial when confronted with transphobia.
simple questions then… world record women’s and mens: 100m dash, high jump, marathon, pole vault, shot put, and bench press… let me know if any women beat men in any of these records.
Or don’t and you can just go away because I’m tired of you.
Arguing with bad faith transphobes isn’t exactly very pleasant either. Get off of Lemmy.