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Ok let’s also assume he was intoxicated. Even then why the fuck would you tase him? Should’ve waited for the medical personnel. Then man was in his own goddamned house. WTF!
Even then why the fuck would you tase him?
IIRC the thought the seizure induced thrashing was him resisting arrest. Of course that begs the question, why were they trying to arrest someone having a seizure (that they’d been sent to help BTW) in the first place?
Probably for committing one of the highest crimes of the land - disrespecting a police officer by not following their orders. They don’t care if he was seizing, unconscious, whatever. They will shoot to kill for such an infraction.
Which order to follow…
He was seizing right at them and they were afraid for their lives, they really had no other choice! Also, he didn’t stop when they told him to, which is an egregious crime in the US it seems - when a cop tells you to do something you do it, or risk getting tazed and/or shot, even if the order is to turn green, fly, crawl with your arms in the air or stop having a grand mal seizure…
Oh! I actually know the answer to this one!
Cuz the perpetrator was experiencing excited delirium which, to the untrained eye (and the trained eye and the doctor’s eye and any eye that doesn’t belong to a police officer), can LOOK like a seizure. According to numerous completely un-ridiculous lawsuits, the lawyers and doctors paid
offby Axon have determined that repeatedly applying the electric shocks of a taser actually CURE excited delirium!So, the fact that this man survived PROVES that the
assaultingresponding officer actually saved his life from an episode of excited delirium! Had the man died, it would have meant that the officer did everything within hisincompetencepower to rescue the man, but he simply succumbed to the grip of excited delirium. Also, had the man weighed the same as a duck, they would have had to burn him.THIS OFFICER IS A
MORONHERO!!!In case I was too subtle:
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Cops in a town arrested a woman for drinking at home because she was rude to them when they asked her about a unrelated hit and run that happened in front of her home.
She was watching a baseball game minding her own business and they left, then came back and arrested her.
California Cops Tased a Man Having a Seizure, Then Booked Him on Bogus Charges To Cover Their Mistake
Booked Him on Bogus Charges To Cover Their Mistake
To Cover Their Mistake
Mistake
Never has a word done so much heavy lifting.
Whoopsie! I done tazed a guy having a medical emergency again!! I’m so kooky!!!
County Jail on charges of resisting arrest and battery. Afterward, he was released “still wearing nothing but his underwear and a disposable hospital outfit; he had no wallet, phone or money,” the complaint states. “He did not remember Alice’s phone number in the jail and they would not help him contact her, so he walked in his hospital slippers about a half mile to a gas station,” where workers helped him call a taxi.
I’m familiar with the case but not this detail. Seriously, fuck these thugs.
Maybe we should defund the police.
Stop that, please.
That entire “defund the police” is the dumbest idea out there. You NEED police, any society needs police. Either that, or next time your being assaulted or robbed, well, sucks to be you.
What the US needs is a completely restructured police system, from the ground up. It needs officers that received training, not the 3-6 months dicking around with idiots that teach them “anyways, then I started blasting”. It needs restructuring of yhe laws so that they can be held accountable when they abusre their powers. They need to learn how to de-escalate situations instead of throwing oil on fires. Racism needs to be squeezed out.
This is how police works in other countries, this is why in other countries we actually like and respect police .
This also requires other changes in the US. This justice system based on revenge has to go. Focus on rehabilitation instead. You gotta limit your guns. I know that people start screeching at the idea, bit if by now it’s still not clear that US citizens are NOT able to responsibly use their guns, then you have issues. You yourself might be super responsible but the next ten people are not. Take the guns away. Best would be all of it.
Those are things that will make your country nicer, and your police actually respectable.
Defund the police means take their bloated military surplus budget, reduce it to reasonable levels and channel those funds into social services instead. It doesn’t mean ‘erase all cops’
Defund the police doesn’t mean no police! It means not giving them so much money when that money is better spent on things that actually reduce crime. 99% of all blue collar crime is due to poverty. Why only treat the symptoms when you can get to the root of the problem. If cops really want to stop crime they would be more interested in white collar crime as that has far more impact down the road than any other crime.
Then don’t say defund the Police, say that instead. I agree that the US needs to fix a lot of issues, and you need police but restructured.
“Defund the pice” sounds like take all the money away and get rid of police. That’s how many conservatives interpret it, and it’s used successfully to ridicule the left.
It’s not anyone’s job to educate and cater to willfully ignorant.
That attitude will get you a lot more ignorant people than you’d like
While I agree that the system needs to be restructured, and rehabilitation and limiting of guns would be very very good policy. The idea of defunding the police exists for a reason.
US courts have ruled that police are not obligated to put themselves in danger for you. So if you are being attacked, and the police believe the attacker could pose a threat to them, they don’t have to do anything to help you or stop the attacker. So next time you’re being assaulted or robbed, it may still very well suck to be you even with the police in line of sight.
Furthermore, the police spend the budget that they do get on military equipment rather than training their officers in de-escalation.
So at what point do we stop funneling so much money into the police for them to waste it on things that make situations worse. We either have to defund the police and put the money towards other services such as social workers who can de-escalate through non violent means, or start putting restrictions on how the police are able to spend the money, and having stronger guidelines/requirements for the training they go through.
All of that is true, but our police also need to be defunded. Police spending makes up a huge percentage of most municipal budgets, and diverts money from other necessary and helpful things, like social workers, emergency responders, programs for the unhoused, education, etc.
Yeah but you still need police. You need well trained police who know how to de-escalate situations. It also requires a change in how usi citizens look at crime. Prison sentences in Europe are always een as too lenient and lax but that is because in the US they are to punish, to enact revenge for the victims. In Europe prison sentences are also meant to reeducate, to prepare the person to come back to society. If o get arrested in Europe, it sucks. If I get arrested in the US, my life is mostly over. Once you’ve been a prisoner in the US, and you come back into society, you’re fucked. Good luck getting a normal job. It makes it that crimjnals are mucbore aggressive in the US, so police needs to be more aggressive too. You need to change how you handle crime, you need to rework your entire justice system.
In Europe prison sentences are also meant to reeducate, to prepare the person to come back to society.
Keyword: meant, but i get what you… meant.
No shit. That starts with reducing how much money they’re allocated. That’s what defunding the police means. It doesn’t mean get rid of the police as your implying, it means give them less money, so we have more to spend on social programs, rehabilitation, and other things that actually reduce crime.
it means give them less money
…'cos they blow it all on military-grade equipment, among other stuff.
I have so many questions, but I will limit it to one. Why are you content giving the power to defend yourself to someone else?
Because if you leave it up to each person to defend themselves, you have literal anarchy. You’ll have the weaker that will be at the bottom abused and only the strongest on top. You’ll have abuse and people getting away with abusing. It’s the thing I’m happy is far, far behind us.
We all need trained police.
Police are strong and abuse the “weak”. A monopoly on violence does make people weak.
I’m not sure if I am a top or bottom. I prefer horizontal.
No
Police is strong, yes, but in most countries they don’t abuse the weak. US police is another thing, but US police is in such a bad state that most US citizens don’t even know anymore what police is supposed to be for. Its supposed to be held accountable, it’s supposed to protect and serve. US police needs an complete top to bottom overhaul and unfortunately loads of current officers should be fired. A national “don’t hire” list should be instated. The police union as it exists today should be torn down and rebuilt too as currently it only exists to protect rotten apples.
But it won’t be enough. You’ll also have to change how US citizens see the justice system m. Currently it’s used as a tool for vengeance more than it’s a tool of rehabilitation. You gotta focus more on rehabilitation, people will get back in society one day and I’d like them less criminal, not more. Lower penalties and more pragmatic focus. Right now if I get arrested for a major crime in Europe, I’m in trouble but I’ll get help and a few years later I can have my life back on the rails. In the US, my life.is over, so of course I’ll be violent to the Police. Prisons must focus on mental health, education, etc.
You’ll need to chante gun laws and outlaw most guns, leave a few options available for hunters, sports, etc. US citizens have shown for over a century now tha they can’t handle guns responsibly. “But but I do” sure. But the other 99.99% don’t. All that violence and regular mass shooting stuff is a unique US thing.
Next up is the racism and poverty divides, they gotta go. Tax the shit out of the rich, use the money to lift everyone up.
That will fix your issues, that will fix your police and make them a friend in the street
Currently it’s used as a tool for vengeance more than it’s a tool of rehabilitation.
Prisons being run by private companies might have an influence on the number of inmates…
Let’s hope they tase some more rich white guys so we can get them on board finally.
They literally won’t go in to those neighborhoods.
I used to think I was going to be a cop, I joined the explorers and hung out with cops, I went on rice alongs. I spent entire shifts following cops around watching them do cop shit my senior year of high school.
They would spend most of their time doing traffic patrols. The “good” cops hung out in more middle class neighborhoods, the shitheads specifically targeted poorer neighborhoods. No one patrols the affluent areas. When a call comes in they argue about who has to go. A domestic disturbance in the trailer park would get every officer not currently arresting someone out to see what’s going on, because they’re bored.
They know not to pull certain cars over, to look the other way when certain people are caught drunk or high in public. That’s just the extent of the stuff I personally saw.
I’m so in love with the idea of a world with no police. A place where murder is acceptable and any crime you want to commit is never investigated.
Hey everyone! A coward ⬆️
Yep I’m a coward, the guy who was arrested by the police for confronting my crack had neighbour for threatening my wife.
I’m the coward because even though I got in trouble I still support having the police around.
You know why?
Because I don’t come from the cesspool that is America
While the Marin County District Attorney’s office eventually refused to formally file charges against Frankel, he has still suffered lasting harm from his treatment by police. In addition to the physical injuries he sustained from Sinnott’s use of force, Frankel spent over $10,000 fighting the police’s attempts to have him prosecuted.
“Man who was not formally charged with a crime forced to spend $10 000 defending himself”
Officers “submitted the false reports or caused them to be submitted in an effort to smear [Frankel’s] reputation, preoccupy him with a criminal case, intimidate him, and prevent him from pursuing claims against them for improper and excessive use of force,” the complaint states, adding that police “acted willfully with the wrongful intention of injuring [Frankel] and for an improper and evil motive amounting to malice.”
So they collasally fucked up, then fucked up more trying to cover up the initial fuck up. Don’t suppose there were any actual consequences for the police officers blatantly lying to incriminate an innocent man?
All police officers involved in this, and thwir direct superiors should all be fired, be put on a national “no hire” list, and face prison time for their crimes
Edit: fixed typos
and face prison time for their crimes
Police falsifying reports should be a criminal offense. I feel like I shouldn’t have to say this.
Its like they arrive at the scene without any information at all.
They arrived their first, medical assistance still on the way. They should be to busy coordinating to make sure those can do their job efficiently when they arrive. Maybe performing first aid. They shouldn’t be looking for crimes even if they are present.
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I have a patient who had a seizure and 911 was called. He tends to get agitated, so his wife warned the cops that came to leave him alone to come out of it as sometimes he starts flailing his arms. Well he flailed his arms and the cops decided to handle that by punching him in the head a few times. Cops need seizure training very very badly.
US Police officers need training very badly, period.
Also, don’t call them cops anymore. They don’t need a “cool” designation, they’re people with a job, ans that job is to protect and serve us, not being some cool dude that we need to fear
Cop = Citizen On Patrol. It’s derogatory, as it correctly implies they aren’t officers, and they absolutely hated being called cops as recently as the early '90s.
Cop is short for copper, which was a reference to the big brass buttons they used to have on their uniforms.
Could be both. Could be neither. I’m just a random person on the internet.
