With membership at new lows and no electoral wins to their name, it’s time for the Greens to ditch the malignant narcissist who’s presided over its decline.
And in “tell Us Something we Didn’t Already Know” news.
If you’re not comfortable with this community embracing diverse political viewpoints and would prefer an echo chamber that only discusses one party, you’re always welcome to start your own Lemmy community.
Pesonally, I’m glad to see more third-party voices gaining visibility here!
Like the Green Party itself I look forward to you disappearing after the election. I’m sure your handlers will have you focus on some other pressing topic.
Well, I have some really bad news for you, friend. You sitting down?
I’m not going anywhere. The vast majority of my posts are to my own Socialist communities that I mod, and those issues I care about won’t disappear after the election. And neither Harris nor Trump will work on them.
And if you look around, I’m far from being the only one on Lemmy who supports third parties.
But just for a point of clarification, what do you mean by “handlers”? I’m not sure I understand the context of that. Can you clarify for me? Thank you! :)
Yes that was hyperbolic, I see these posts on my feed on a daily basis, and it’s filled with dozens of rehashed comments bickering about the validity of third parties. It’s getting far more attention here than it deserves when there are tons of actual, real political issues in the world.
I’ll be the first to say that I hate both major parties, but I have the political literacy to understand that the way to fix it is not by voting for someone with questionable ties to Russia that seems to pop up out of nowhere every four years.
If you guys actually cared to solve the issues you’d be campaigning to first and foremost get electoral reform to make third parties even remotely viable instead of trying to work within this extremely broken, barely democratic system. You’d also be doing work at a local level where real change can be made to movement rather than just throwing a candidate out for president every election. You won’t do that though because you’re all a bunch of weird idealists with fantastical views of how politics work. I’m interested in following news thats grounded in reality
If you guys actually cared to solve the issues you’d be campaigning to first and foremost get electoral reform to make third parties even remotely viable instead of trying to work within this extremely broken, barely democratic system.
What makes you think we don’t? I bring it up all the time with my elected officials.
I’m not one of “those guys” advocating specific 3rd party candidates. Sadly, none of the current choices are viable.
I’m just pointing out your overreaction, which is just as much of a distraction from the REAL issues you pretend to care about.
actually cared to solve the issues
Yeah, because mentioning 3rd parties means that you don’t care about anything else at all. What a galaxy brained take 🙄
campaigning to to first and foremost get electoral reform to make third parties even remotely viable instead of trying to work within this extremely broken, barely democratic system.
That’s exactly what I’m doing, depending on how wide your definition of “campaigning” is. Just because I correct your hysteria doesn’t mean that you have to create a strawman of me that totes loves Jill Stein or whatever 🙄
You’d also be doing work at a local politics where real change can be made
In my case, “local” is part of Denmark, a country with a much better election system. Doesn’t mean that I can’t have knowledge and opinions about US politics and the kinds of absolutist “us or them” language that bears some of the responsibility for the duopoly surviving in spite of what the vast majority of the population wants.
Also, just FYI: assuming that everyone is able to be active in local politics beyond online discussions reeks of privilege and ableism.
rather than just throwing a candidate out for president every election
Again lumping me in with a group to which I don’t belong.
You won’t do that though because you’re all a bunch of weird idealists with fantastical views of how politics work
Aaand again. Are you going for some kind of record in strawmen and jumping to conclusions? Because if so, you’re doing an excellent job so far.
I’m interested in following news thats grounded in reality
Me too. I’m also interested in discussing the news using language grounded in reality, rather than weird hyperbole making a small minority out to be a dominant force and tormentor ruining everything.
As much as I’m tempted, I’m not interested in getting to a debate with you about this. For someone mad about me ‘jumping to conclusions’ you sure made a whole lot of assumptions about me that aren’t really true.
Whether my rant was directed at you, or one of the handful of other Jill Stein nutjobs on here doesn’t really matter, I’ve said my piece.
For someone mad about me ‘jumping to conclusions’ you sure made a whole lot of assumptions about me that aren’t really true.
Which ones specifically? I did you the courtesy of being specific about how and where you were wrong about me. If you’re gonna go “no you!”, it would behoove you to do the same rather than being as vague as a teenager posting on Facebook on a bad day.
Whether my rant was directed at you, or one of the handful of other Jill Stein nutjobs
I specifically informed you that I don’t consider any of the third party candidates viable and have not said anything to the contrary to indicate that I support Stein in any way. I don’t, for the record.
I’m not interested in getting to a debate with you about this.
Because you don’t have any counterarguments. You just lie, misrepresent, and demand that everyone believes you. Which seems to be working in this case since it’s taking place in a pro-DNC echo chamber almost half as tribalist as the fascist ones.
This has to be some kind of chatgpt essay blend. How are you able to write so much based on so little? All your comments are like walls of text responses to like one liners. I just don’t get it. How? How do y’all have so much time on your hands???
I like to be thorough and exact when refuting misinformation. The point by point format helps me organize my thoughts better and also makes it more clear to the reader what exactly I’m talking about.
That you see this and think LLM says more about your own sloppiness than it does about my format choices and tendency towards verbosity.
When I have something important to say, I choose my words and format differently than for jokes or casual conversation.
If I don’t, I end up having to take much LONGER over several comments to clarify when someone inevitably misunderstands due to my being too vague.
Just because someone replies with something you don’t like or agree with doesn’t mean they’re chatgpt, friend. Some of us are just educated, can read and write well, and have our own thoughts to share. 🙂
Never told anyone how to vote, so you can pack that strawman away.
We have a saying over here: when America sneezes, Europe catches a cold.
We live in an interconnected world where what the world’s foremost superpower does profoundly effects literally billions of people.
There’s nothing weird about a European being interested in and knowledgeable about American politics.
Dismissing my input based on geography alone ON THE INTERNET makes it a good thing that no one has the obligation to take anything a fool like you says seriously at all either.
Riiiiiight. You do know your comment history is public, right? Because aside from the metric fuckton of misinformation that is removed when you post, you CLEARLY have an anti-democrat and pro socialist agenda to push on an election that you have nothing to do with.
Go sit down. When Denmark becomes relevant to our election, we’ll call you.
You do know your comment history is public, right?
Yep and I stand by it.
Because aside from the metric fuckton of misinformation that is removed when you post
What’s that even supposed to mean? Could you try reformatting it into a syntax readable by humans?
you CLEARLY have an agenda to push on an election that you have nothing to do with.
Nope. Just correcting objectively inaccurate statements where applicable and expressing my opinion in other cases. What agenda are you imagining me to be pursuing?
Go sit down
You first. Must be exhausting to be so pompous with so little understanding to lean on, so you must need a rest more than I do.
When Denmark becomes relevant to our election, we’ll call you.
If you’re the one doing the honors, I won’t pick up.
Well said! It’s wild how some people get so worked up just because there are more than two political options. The majority of what I share is about socialism, but the moment I post one article about the Green Party, they blow it out of proportion and shout, “This is all you post!”—despite my post history being public and proving them wrong. 😂
No, but on a VERY far left leaning platform, you’re al
almost always ratioed into oblivion. That should probably tell you a lot. But you’re not here in good faith, and that is probably is why it doesn’t matter much to you.
Most people generally don’t stick around places where they’re not wanted.
What makes you think I’m not here in good faith? What do you think good faith means? Because it seems to me that just because I am not voting for Harris, you think that doesn’t count as good faith. So maybe you could clarify.
And just because I get downvoted a lot, you think I should just now voice my opinions? Do you think that Lemmy should only allow views that the majority here view? Like an echo chamber?
Oh please! By all means…. Voice your opinion. That’s why lemmy is here. I just wanted to know that you were aware that lemmy is a notoriously left leaning/socialist platform, and you’re STILL downvoted into irrelevance.
And not that you’ve successfully derailed the conversation- as you do, I’m going to end it- as I do, because you have proven yet again that you have nothing to offer the topic but distraction and irrelevancy.
I’m not lying about anything. Early on, I was voting for her, and I openly said so. I still like her and appreciate what she stands for. My entire post history is public, and I’ve been upfront from the start.
But since I lean more socialist, I’ve shifted to supporting a socialist party.
Why would I lie about not voting for Jill Stein when I clearly said I was going to vote for her in the beginning?
If I still support her efforts and have never denied that, then what would even be the point of lying about switching my vote?
And not only that, but I’ve switched my vote to a WAY lesser known third party–the Socialist Workers Party. So please tell me your theories on why I would lie about that.
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I hate how they’ve spammed their way into turning this community into 90% conversations about irrelevant 3rd parties.
Every post is either by them or something meant to dunk on them.
This is really tough to see, especially when in other countries the other Greens are actual, viable parties.
If you’re not comfortable with this community embracing diverse political viewpoints and would prefer an echo chamber that only discusses one party, you’re always welcome to start your own Lemmy community.
Pesonally, I’m glad to see more third-party voices gaining visibility here!
Like the Green Party itself I look forward to you disappearing after the election. I’m sure your handlers will have you focus on some other pressing topic.
I think they’ll just have more time to devote to their other interests, like their c/transracial Lemmy community.
Well, I have some really bad news for you, friend. You sitting down?
I’m not going anywhere. The vast majority of my posts are to my own Socialist communities that I mod, and those issues I care about won’t disappear after the election. And neither Harris nor Trump will work on them.
And if you look around, I’m far from being the only one on Lemmy who supports third parties.
But just for a point of clarification, what do you mean by “handlers”? I’m not sure I understand the context of that. Can you clarify for me? Thank you! :)
That’s such a ridiculous claim that I bothered to count.
There’s been 4 posts about anything regarding 3rd parties out of 31 in the last 24h and that’s much MORE than usual!
Sounds like you’re just hypersensitive about being reminded that the two party duopoly is only ALMOST complete 🙄
Yes that was hyperbolic, I see these posts on my feed on a daily basis, and it’s filled with dozens of rehashed comments bickering about the validity of third parties. It’s getting far more attention here than it deserves when there are tons of actual, real political issues in the world.
I’ll be the first to say that I hate both major parties, but I have the political literacy to understand that the way to fix it is not by voting for someone with questionable ties to Russia that seems to pop up out of nowhere every four years.
If you guys actually cared to solve the issues you’d be campaigning to first and foremost get electoral reform to make third parties even remotely viable instead of trying to work within this extremely broken, barely democratic system. You’d also be doing work at a local level where real change can be made to movement rather than just throwing a candidate out for president every election. You won’t do that though because you’re all a bunch of weird idealists with fantastical views of how politics work. I’m interested in following news thats grounded in reality
What makes you think we don’t? I bring it up all the time with my elected officials.
Disagree. I’m happy to see it getting discussed more. And by more people than just me! :)
I’m not one of “those guys” advocating specific 3rd party candidates. Sadly, none of the current choices are viable.
I’m just pointing out your overreaction, which is just as much of a distraction from the REAL issues you pretend to care about.
Yeah, because mentioning 3rd parties means that you don’t care about anything else at all. What a galaxy brained take 🙄
That’s exactly what I’m doing, depending on how wide your definition of “campaigning” is. Just because I correct your hysteria doesn’t mean that you have to create a strawman of me that totes loves Jill Stein or whatever 🙄
In my case, “local” is part of Denmark, a country with a much better election system. Doesn’t mean that I can’t have knowledge and opinions about US politics and the kinds of absolutist “us or them” language that bears some of the responsibility for the duopoly surviving in spite of what the vast majority of the population wants.
Also, just FYI: assuming that everyone is able to be active in local politics beyond online discussions reeks of privilege and ableism.
Again lumping me in with a group to which I don’t belong.
Aaand again. Are you going for some kind of record in strawmen and jumping to conclusions? Because if so, you’re doing an excellent job so far.
Me too. I’m also interested in discussing the news using language grounded in reality, rather than weird hyperbole making a small minority out to be a dominant force and tormentor ruining everything.
As much as I’m tempted, I’m not interested in getting to a debate with you about this. For someone mad about me ‘jumping to conclusions’ you sure made a whole lot of assumptions about me that aren’t really true.
Whether my rant was directed at you, or one of the handful of other Jill Stein nutjobs on here doesn’t really matter, I’ve said my piece.
Have a great day.
They’re not even American, yet telling us how we should vote. That’s about as bad faith as it gets.
Which ones specifically? I did you the courtesy of being specific about how and where you were wrong about me. If you’re gonna go “no you!”, it would behoove you to do the same rather than being as vague as a teenager posting on Facebook on a bad day.
I specifically informed you that I don’t consider any of the third party candidates viable and have not said anything to the contrary to indicate that I support Stein in any way. I don’t, for the record.
Because you don’t have any counterarguments. You just lie, misrepresent, and demand that everyone believes you. Which seems to be working in this case since it’s taking place in a pro-DNC echo chamber almost half as tribalist as the fascist ones.
Now I have too. Have the day you deserve.
This has to be some kind of chatgpt essay blend. How are you able to write so much based on so little? All your comments are like walls of text responses to like one liners. I just don’t get it. How? How do y’all have so much time on your hands???
I like to be thorough and exact when refuting misinformation. The point by point format helps me organize my thoughts better and also makes it more clear to the reader what exactly I’m talking about.
That you see this and think LLM says more about your own sloppiness than it does about my format choices and tendency towards verbosity.
When I have something important to say, I choose my words and format differently than for jokes or casual conversation.
If I don’t, I end up having to take much LONGER over several comments to clarify when someone inevitably misunderstands due to my being too vague.
Just because someone replies with something you don’t like or agree with doesn’t mean they’re chatgpt, friend. Some of us are just educated, can read and write well, and have our own thoughts to share. 🙂
Being not from America, you have NO PLACE telling people how they should vote. And no one has the obligation to take nothing you say seriously at all.
Never told anyone how to vote, so you can pack that strawman away.
We have a saying over here: when America sneezes, Europe catches a cold.
We live in an interconnected world where what the world’s foremost superpower does profoundly effects literally billions of people.
There’s nothing weird about a European being interested in and knowledgeable about American politics.
Dismissing my input based on geography alone ON THE INTERNET makes it a good thing that no one has the obligation to take anything a fool like you says seriously at all either.
Riiiiiight. You do know your comment history is public, right? Because aside from the metric fuckton of misinformation that is removed when you post, you CLEARLY have an anti-democrat and pro socialist agenda to push on an election that you have nothing to do with.
Go sit down. When Denmark becomes relevant to our election, we’ll call you.
Yep and I stand by it.
What’s that even supposed to mean? Could you try reformatting it into a syntax readable by humans?
Nope. Just correcting objectively inaccurate statements where applicable and expressing my opinion in other cases. What agenda are you imagining me to be pursuing?
You first. Must be exhausting to be so pompous with so little understanding to lean on, so you must need a rest more than I do.
If you’re the one doing the honors, I won’t pick up.
Well said! It’s wild how some people get so worked up just because there are more than two political options. The majority of what I share is about socialism, but the moment I post one article about the Green Party, they blow it out of proportion and shout, “This is all you post!”—despite my post history being public and proving them wrong. 😂
Many of them are surprisingly silent on the matter.
It’s refreshing.
Um, I don’t know about that.
I don’t think anyone counts you as relevant.
Really? That means when I post, I don’t have to worry about people calling me a liar and a Russian shill anymore, right?
And no one will be bothered by what I post anymore or complain about how much I post, because I mean, it’s not like I’m relevant or anything. Right?!
That’s awesome!! Thank you! :)
No, but on a VERY far left leaning platform, you’re al almost always ratioed into oblivion. That should probably tell you a lot. But you’re not here in good faith, and that is probably is why it doesn’t matter much to you.
Most people generally don’t stick around places where they’re not wanted.
What makes you think I’m not here in good faith? What do you think good faith means? Because it seems to me that just because I am not voting for Harris, you think that doesn’t count as good faith. So maybe you could clarify.
And just because I get downvoted a lot, you think I should just now voice my opinions? Do you think that Lemmy should only allow views that the majority here view? Like an echo chamber?
Oh please! By all means…. Voice your opinion. That’s why lemmy is here. I just wanted to know that you were aware that lemmy is a notoriously left leaning/socialist platform, and you’re STILL downvoted into irrelevance.
And not that you’ve successfully derailed the conversation- as you do, I’m going to end it- as I do, because you have proven yet again that you have nothing to offer the topic but distraction and irrelevancy.
And I STILL post whatever I want, whenever I want, wherever I want.
And since I am so irrelevant, then that’s not a problem for you, right?! Thank you! :)
NOT VOTING FOR HERRRRRRRRR
Hey! Me either! We’re friends, now!
I’m not voting for fruit
Obviously.
I’ve seen that person around. Serious cringe vibes.
Right?!
Are we sure that that’s not her secret Lemmy account? Lmao
I don’t think she’s THAT well spoken, unfortunately.
I don’t see them in the comments. They’re probably on lunch break with that linkerbaan person.
What is a linkerbaan person? Context?
Your comment about me was removed for civility.
I’ll still answer tho. I’m not voting for Jill Stein. Thank you for thinking about me so much tho!
Lie to yourself if you must, but don’t expect anyone here to believe it
;)
I’m not lying about anything. Early on, I was voting for her, and I openly said so. I still like her and appreciate what she stands for. My entire post history is public, and I’ve been upfront from the start.
But since I lean more socialist, I’ve shifted to supporting a socialist party.
Why would I lie about not voting for Jill Stein when I clearly said I was going to vote for her in the beginning?
If I still support her efforts and have never denied that, then what would even be the point of lying about switching my vote?
And not only that, but I’ve switched my vote to a WAY lesser known third party–the Socialist Workers Party. So please tell me your theories on why I would lie about that.