Joe, you’re already the monsters.
Too late for that.
Ah so the orange’s actions finally hit Rogan’s bank account ehh
joe 100% holds some not insignificant amount of blame for all this bs.
he IS a monster, it IS to late for him.
Yea! It could happen any day now! Any…day… now…
Nah he’s just trying to sound impartial. He was at UFC practically giving Trump a handy.
Keeping a mind so open that the brain just slides right out.
You cannot turn into monsters if you already are ones.
he is just hedging his bets.
Boy is he slow
Yes but this is clearly him trying to walk back some of his alt right views so that he can get back a portion of sane fans.
And how long do you suppose his "walk back"will last?
Better late than never, at least. And with Rogan specifically I can actually believe he supported Trump out of stupidity in the first place.
Plus, a middle aged masculine presenting white dude actually admitting that he was wrong/decieved about something is unironically a desperately needed role model rn. As somebody who previously had absolutely no respect for the man, he’s earned at least a sliver of my respect.
How a man can go from supporting Bernie to supporting Trump just has to come down to vibes bullshit. Which is stupid but also informative
Become?
To phrase this carefully: I’ve been saying that the people behind the scenery, who are actually in charge of this current regime, are going to need a new “face” when the current, orange one dies. Somebody brash, charismatic, well-versed in keeping people entertained, and their attention on himself. Somebody just like, oh, say, Joe Rogan.
I’m not predicting that Rogan will be the next “face” of MAGA, but this move is consistent with what I would expect if he were positioning himself to be it: Hedging his bets, putting a little bit of distance between himself and the administration so as to be outside of the blast radius in case public sentiment turns, but supporting it enough to be a credible successor in case public sentiment holds.
Somebody just like, oh, say, Joe Rogan.
This feels like the speculation I saw about Tucker Carlson or Mark Zuckerburg running for office. I think it misses how much of Rogan’s popularity is artificially inflated, how much of his job is merely to market crypto and blue chew, and how much he wouldn’t actually want the job of running for office to begin with.
These bloated egos inevitably do put their toes in the water. But trying to separate a few million dipshits from their wallets is a radically different task than trying to win a plurality of the 150M+ voting poll (heavily weighted across states full of people who don’t listen to podcasts). You’re going to send Joe Rogan to Iowa to eat a stick of fried butter while telling a gaggle of fifty year old hog farmers how much he loves soybeans and he’s going to do a worse job of it than Rick Perry.
this move is consistent with what I would expect if he were positioning himself to be it: Hedging his bets, putting a little bit of distance between himself and the administration so as to be outside of the blast radius in case public sentiment turns
The sentiment won’t turn. It’s the same sentiment that’s been building since the Bush Administration, and one of the big reasons the GOP fell apart in 2006 and then again in 2012 and 2020. The GOP can’t afford to be moderate on immigration, on social politics, or on social welfare programs. Because as soon as you stop delivering the red meat, the knives come out.
Republicans aren’t going to run a milquetoast moderate podcaster face for the party like Rogan the next time the top spot opens up. Look at the line up in 2024 against Trump - Nikki Hailey, Ron DeSantis, Asa Hutchenson, and Vivek Ramaswamy are the party’s future. These are the people piling into the governorships and congressional seats under Trump and they’re going to be the pool that dictates his replacement.
That’s not turning on him. That’s using kid gloves to softly not be seen agreeing with him.
Joe you helped us become this monster you fucking idiot.
He deserves all the flak, but we need to accept and encourage people who are changing their mind or we’re all fucked.
He isn’t changing his mind. This is part of his strategy and has always been so. This is to please the “but he also invites non-right wing guest” crowd. He is and will remain a right wing influencer who carries a large responsibility for the current situation with his right wing propaganda platform.
“I’m sorry. You all tried to tell me, and I didn’t listen. I was wrong”
We can talk about forgiveness and acceptance when he gets to this point.
I’m not gonna look at gift horse in the mouth. Let’s stick to criticizing what he does, not what you believe he is thinking.
This - late is always better than never.
If tomorrow everyone just agreed to hate and reject Trump - 0% approval, anti-fascist public sentiment like it’s 1944, and expedited impeachment - on the condition that we never bring up to the 50 million people how terrible it was that they supported him, would we agree to it?
I’d like to think I would, but maybe just like delusional anger, justifiable anger is a drug that can make us act irrationally and against our own interests.
I suspect it’s because a lot of people, myself included, think that this is how you get to festering problems that are fertile ground for the next authoritarian.
There was a brief moment after J6 where Lindsay Graham took to the floor of the senate, fresh from the reality of what had just happened and said that he didn’t support it. But a few weeks later, suffering no real consequences, he was back at the MAGA trough chowing down.
Humiliating people that change their minds for the better is probably not the solution. But saying “no consequences, all is forgiven if we can move on” is how you get confederate general statues all over union soil.
At the end of the day, trump supporters seem to be responding to the humanity crushing nature of global capitalism. They fall for the populist rhetoric and then swept up by the personality just assume that everything he said would get fixed is getting fixed now and everyone just doesn’t like him and are making things up. This works until it directly effects them, but even then they think it must be some mistake or oversight.
This goes to show how deep the hunger is for someone to rein in capitalism and support populist reforms. In the absence of any legitimate policies pointing in that direction, this conman is making a fantastic meal out of promising whatever sounds good, delivering nothing, then moving on to the next round of grifting.
Real substantive improvement to this nation will only come from actually improving the material conditions under which Americans labor. And this sounds strange for the wealthiest nation on earth, but many of our countrymen can’t afford healthy food, medicine, shelter, and if they can it’s at the expense of their every waking minute of labor. If you push a population like that, they will eventually wonder what the heck the point is, and they will follow anyone that says they can fix it. Sadly, trump sees this rhetoric as a campaigning tool nothing more, he could care less if people can sell their alfalfa as long as they cheer for him. And the Democratic Party isn’t offering compelling solutions either, they’ve slid far enough right that Biden’s cornerstone IRA and CHIPS acts largely targeted massive companies in a full embrace of trickle down economics. Intel gets to build a new chip foundary eventually, if the legislation isn’t gutted, and if intel doesn’t find it more convenient to pocket the cash, blame burdensome regulations, and cancel the project a la Foxconn in Wisconsin.
Both parties are captured by the massive companies, they can only legislate in the thin band the wealthy donors allow them too. Dems offer up solutions in that band that dont make things meaningfully better. MAGA just figured out that no one is following up, so you can say you’ll do popular things and then deliver a massive tax cut to the wealthiest instead.
Humiliating people that change their minds for the better is probably not the solution. But saying “no consequences, all is forgiven if we can move on” is how you get confederate general statues all over union soil.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: I am perfectly willing to accept people who turn the page and abandon fascism, but there needs to be genuine contrition and a concerted effort on their part to set things right. Saying “oopsie” and then quietly going on with their lives safely away from the destruction that they’ve sown is not good enough. That Hans Landa shit doesn’t fly.
I will make this agreement with anyone, today, so long as it is made in good faith. Which means, they have to start by fully acknowleding their role in getting us to where we are, apologize, and promise to do better.
This is not what we’re getting from Rogan.
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Positive praise until trump is out of office then arrest.
Why do people listen to this idiot? His stance changes when the wind blows. The “wind” being a threat to his profit.
I mean, I don’t think Rogan is “Evil,” or even little “e” evil, but for Pete’s sake, he’s just a meathead dudebro who has let fame and money go to his head. He should go back to just smoking weed and talking about aliens.
He is the embodiment of why they didn’t let just anyone be on TV
I would have agreed a decade ago. He’s evil now though.
Recklessly endangering the health of an entire democratic system for short term monetary gain is definitely little e evil.
He’s so dumb, I think he thought all of this was just shit talking, at first.
His entire job as an MMA commentator is to interview people who were recently concussed into a pulp. That’s about where he’s at — able to converse with people who are struggling to stay lucid enough to not get carried out on a stretcher. Something something DMT and gorillas, Jamie pull that up.
Funny that you mention that;
He’s stated multiple times that when he knocked that other kid cold for a long, long time with the spinning back kick in that tournament, he decided then to stop, before he got major CTE.
He stopped way too late.
No offense to anyone with a traumatic brain injury. But most of them don’t host Nazis and other pieces of human garbage to influence legions of teenage boys.
Had a CTE when I was 8. A very long time ago.
And I just keep getting more progressive as I creep towards inevitable mortality.
Sorry to hear that. Take care of yourself.
It’s been a very long time, and I’m managing as well as possible. Thank you :)
Fair enough.
The “wind” being a threat to his profit. I mean, I don’t think Rogan is “Evil,”
That’s textbook Nazis. They were all for it until it wasn’t popular and a threat to their profit.
Unprincipled self-serving assholes ARE evil. If you spread dangerous words that end up motivating people into harming others, YOU are at fault.
That is why we shouldn’t tolerate hateful talk towards innocent people, even when “he’s just joking!”, “she doesn’t really mean it!”. Enough little words together make an avalanche, and his words are not even little.
He’s at a minimum little “e” evil. I’ve seen him go full far-right and MAGA.
He’s either woefully ignorant, or he’s a Kremlin asset. The amount of Russian propaganda that comes out of his mouth is next level. He has refused to interview the Klitshkow brothers about Ukraine, and those guys are both prime candidates for that podcast. Former boxers turned politicians that want to speak their side on Ukraine, and he couldn’t be bothered. Instead, he was happy to have Tulsi Gabbard, Tim Pool, and Jordan Peterson on multiple times to spout pure propaganda. It’s infuriating that anyone gives him the time of day to listen to what his podcast has become.
funny how they all went quiet when it was found out the media company funding the grifters was linked to putins oligarches, roegan probably became one very recently. Tulsi is a given, she has been one since '16, and her being a right wing ASIANs youtube channel was pretty obvious too. she was a guest on that channel just right before trump was elected(like a few weeks before, which was suspicious), she was of course parroting russian backed propaganda.
Some More News did an excellent segment on Rogan. One of the interesting things they noted is Rogan’s tendency to stay in opposition to the running political power. This checks out
Because hos viewers are bigger idiots.
Well, yeah.
