• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    I understand where people are coming from when they say “identity politics” are politics getting in the way of class struggle. I vehemently disagree with it, these are also important issues we need to stand up for even when they are sometimes unpopular

    The thing is, the things that help everyone helps everyone…

    The people suffering from identity politics politicizing their existence as well

    But when shit sucks, people lash out. If we were taking care of everyone, they wouldn’t need a Boogeyman to blame to distract them from the real problem.

    Fixing the class issue makes it easier to fix societal issues.

    You’re literally arguing to put the cart before the horse, to do things in the least effective manner to achieve all goals.

    That’s why the wealthy use it to distract people, even though you think you understand it. You’re still missing the point and falling for it. It’s an effective strategy and loads of people keep falling for it. It exploits natural logic, because it should be easier to handle “identity politics” because it’s way less people.

    Humans aren’t wired to think of more than like 220 people, and that fact is exploited by the wealthy constantly

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      Maybe before you say that the issues that you care about are obviously the first priority you should be asking why minority voters would ever trust white liberals (or leftists) to get to the things that are critical issues for their communities once the stuff whites prioritize gets done.

      Your argument of “give the racists more money so they won’t be as racist” isn’t going to inspire solidarity from the people you’re supposed to view as allies. Prove you’re there for them before you start worrying about how you can convert Republicans. It’s still a dumb fucking plan when it’s from the left rather than from the middle. The left is never going to win by figuring out which part of the coalition can be pushed to the back of the line to attract those sweet sweet Republican converts. The situation doesn’t change if you swap out neocons for anti-woke tradesmen.

      This class-first argument is almost solely promoted by white male leftists and FFS you guys should wonder why.

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      If we want to take care of everyone, then we need to be sure that we actually are taking care of everyone. We have to stand up against persecution and injustice. We have to proactively offer a hand up to those who need it most right now. When people are being oppressed, silence is complicity.

      If you want to sweep issues under the rug when they feel politically inconvenient, then you can’t also say you’re taking care of everyone.

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        22 hours ago

        then we need to be sure that we actually are taking care of everyone.

        Literally what I’m saying…

        We’re not, we should be, and that should be priority 1 because everything else is easy.

        You’re so close to understanding this.

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          19 hours ago

          Does taking care of everyone mean saying “sorry you can’t get HRT, it just doesn’t poll well enough”?