The DNC cited a procedural concern, but Hogg said it is “impossible to ignore the broader context” of his criticisms.
This sums up my feelings about the fate of the Democratic party.
I admire Hogg for trying to change things from the inside, as it were, but the DNC is definitely complicit in our current slide into authoritarianism. Until they wake up and embrace the progressive movement championed by Bernie and AOC, I have little hope for the mainstream democratic party
I guess the C in DNC stands for Corporation. The corporation doesn’t like when underlings call them out on their bullshit
Its legal name as used in court documents is the “DNC Services Corp”
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca11/17-14194/17-14194-2019-10-28.html
I guess the C in DNC stands for Corporation.
Or simply Corruption.
Clearer Reason as to the main issue:
David Hogg Into the Spotlight
Into these discussions has stormed the 25-year-old Hogg, who has positioned himself as the man capable of steering the Democrats back on course using lessons learned from their recent losses.
Hogg has criticized his own party for what he views as an alienating stance toward men, and cited the perceived obsession with cultural issues as a major factor in the Republicans’ 2024 victories.
“What I think happened last election is younger men—they would rather vote for somebody who they don’t completely agree with, they don’t feel judged by, than somebody who they do agree with, that they feel like they have to walk on eggshells around,” Hogg said during a recent appearance on Real Time with Bill Maher.
Hogg was again thrust into the center of this internal debate after his election to vice chair was deemed to have violated DNC bylaws which encourage gender parity among the party leadership. DNC member Kalyn Free, who lost to Hogg in February and brought the challenge against his victory, said that the committee improperly tallied votes and failed “to distinguish between gender categories in a meaningful way.” In doing so, she argued, it “violated its own charter and bylaws, undermining both fairness and gender diversity.”
To some, this seemed like irony—the party voiding Hogg’s election based on gender-based requirements, after he had criticized it for an overt focus on gender issues. To Hogg it also sniffed of retribution for his wider attempt to recalibrate the Democrats’ focus and party makeup.
Source: https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-dnc-election-david-hogg-2072004
The DNC is the primary reason we live under an authoritarian manbaby, Hogg isn’t wrong
We can’t stand up to Trump, but we can stand up to this kid telling us to do our jobs.
There needs to be an age and income bracket limit for people in government service, these rich geriatric fucks are going to get us all killed.
We can’t stand up to Trump, but we can stand up to this kid telling us to do our jobs.
Elder liberals telling younger voters/activists to STFU and get in line, then blaming them when turnout sags and conservative democrats lose purple seats, is the tragedy of the modern era.
We can’t stand up to Trump, but we can stand up to this kid telling us to do our jobs.
Holy shit, yes! I’d take it a step further and say “we can’t stand up to Trump, but we can stand up to anyone pushing us to be an actual opposition”. Ten democrats joined the republicans in voting to censure Al Green for having the absolute audacity to yell at the guy shredding the constitution instead of sitting quietly until leaving quietly while wearing a #resist shirt.
Certainly one of the reasons, but I don’t think it’s the primary one. 'Murica having so many places with a culture that can be summed up as “extremely individualistic and patriotic xenophobes” is what I’d blame first.
I think the primary reason is all of the fascists, but sure neoliberalism and inevitable decline etc
Well, democrats can change the latter.
I suppose they tried to change the former by trying to appeal to fascists.
This whole situation is best summed up by this. If they were putting this much effort into fighting for the actual working class issues they would have won the previous election… Make of that what you will.
Democrats aren’t, and never were, a working class party
Behead all of them.
First, they came for all the motherfucking politicans. Then they came for the lobbyists, then the CEOs and billionaires and the propagandists and the corrupt judges. And if they haven’t been beheaded yet, they had peace happily ever after!
[Indeed, Hogg’s PAC, Leaders We Deserve, recently announced an initiative to fund young primary challengers in Democratic races.]
Hey that is pretty cool. We need lots more people like Hogg and AOC and Sanders.
The DNC is only another wing of the fascist corporatocracy /Kleptocracy /plutocracy their only function is to protect the capitalis that keeps them in power.
2016 primaries were awful. DNC super delegates kept Sanders out, showing the worst aspects of super delegates. Establishment GOP couldn’t keep Trump out, showing the worst aspects of a lack of super delegates.
Nah, that’s probably the only thing I applaud the RNC for. It was very clear that Trump was not their choice, but when their voters spoke, the RNC shrugged and said “alright, let’s party.” Where the DNC endlessly schemes and plots and weasels its way into running the footgun. Democrat voters groan “no, not the footgun again! What the fuck are you doing?!” And the DNC says “look, you don’t understand, it’s the footgun’s turn, they’ve earned it. We just need to compromise and blow our legs off one last time. Now is just not the right time to not blow our legs off. Americans just won’t vote for not blowing our legs off. And, I mean, what are they going to do? Vote for the guy with legs? Lol, lmao. Now hand me that gun.”
That single act doomed us. Bernie would have smoked trump so hard his kids would have changed their name
The supreme court picking George Bush as the winner over Al Gore doomed us.
Failing Reconstruction doomed us.
That is why I get pissed off at the people who blame nonvoters for Trump and say blue no matter who. No. That kind of thinking it’s what lead down this path in the first place. You don’t keep participating in a corrupt system hoping it will get better. You destroy the system
more or less the same donors as the gop, they arnt different, the only reason some of them are EVEN dems is that they are not right wing enough to be palatable to republican voters. they also make backdoor deals often, it was pretty obvious when mitch was still in control of the senate.
They argued the same thing in the NY 2016 primary case. You know… the one where 120,000 people in King’s County just randomly got bumped off voter rolls a few weeks before the primaries with no recourse for registration.
These roll Purges occurred all over the country. I got purged during the 2016 primary in California but there was still plenty of time to reenroll despite the lack of warning.
I volunteered to work at a poll and countless numbers of voters were forced to vote with provisional ballots. Which meant they would be thrown away because they weren’t registered to vote (but they had been at that location for years and were registered to vote)
Then the BoE folks all got huffy and “bristled” at the accusation there might have been foul play.
So anyway, that’s how the democrats lost me. I may vote for a dem candidate if there weren’t a complete verminous sleazeball, but i’d vote for them on the WFP line or something.
Okay comrade. You know that Communism is every bit as bad as Fascism and that Stalin was a mass murderer right?
Is communism in the room with you? Nobody was talking about out communism
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Trump is on a mission to crash our economy, disappear people without due process, and participate in flagrant public corruption — and voters still trust him more than Democrats,” Hogg said in his statement. “That is a massive indictment of our party.”
Thats a damning statement
He’s right. There’s no two ways about it, and I think it’s nuts that you’ve got DNC enjoyers out here basically being like “okay, but you’re being stupid, I swear if we just ran Hillary/Biden ticket in '28 and campaigned on only some tax cuts for billionaires and only partial suspension of Habeus Corpus, we’d win”
It’s damned accurate.
I trust Trump to be trump. I don’t trust the DNC to calculate a tip
Proving him right, by doing more to stop him from running than they’re doing to stop the fascist takeover
Well technically it’s true that DNC are following protocol. Even if Hogg wasn’t running challengers to his own party and insulting them publicly, the DNC would still probably be holding the party leadership chair special election later this year.
This is one of those things where they’re following the letter of the law, but I’m 80% sure that they’re only doing so because it suits them.
It’s technically not law because the DNC is a private institution, but it is written down as institution policy, so yes.
They treat dick cheney better than they treat David Hogg.
DNC Moves to Oust David Hogg After He Says Party Isn’t Standing Up to Trump
This title feels like a bit of a gaslight considering hes being ousted for saying his party doesn’t represent their voters anymore. While not standing up to trump is part of it, its a smaller issue than the truth that the dems stopped giving a shit about their voters long ago.
God it must be so easy to be a republican, just blame everything on immigrants and do whatever you want to them, simultaneously not pissing off your rich owners, and making your dipshit voting base happy. Its a win-win scenario where only the country loses.
his party doesn’t represent their voters anymore.
I mean, are you seriously arguing that isn’t the case? I’m pretty sure he’s correct.
No I’m arguing that IS the case. I feel like i was very clear on that, I think you may need to reread what i wrote.
He’s actually being made to run for party leadership chair position later this year because of a challenger submitting that they broke party policy, which is true.
The party that successfully argued in court that they don’t have to follow their own policy suddenly become sticklers when they’re not boosting a clinton.
Which is why I will always say the DNC is what gave America Trump and people who voted and supported them when they were backing. Hillary are more complicit than the people who voted for Trump, because you don’t expect the voters to have any intelligence.
A lot of the democratic establishment used to have a close relationship with Trump and took his money often over the years. Then Biden even helped him get re-elected by all the lies and nonsense last year.
Things are not as they seem and the plan is clearly not for the establishment Democrats to stand up to Trump, they want him doing exactly what he’s doing.
This is because behind the scenes, it really is a uniparty, and the only thing any of them really care about is money.
Political parties and disagreements are for the lower classes.
Yes, Trump has given money to some Democrats in the past over the years. Guess what, Elon Musk used to be an environmental hero to liberal: in other words, people change. Have you ever once looked at the voting records and kinds of bills voted into law by Democrats and Republicans? I seriously doubt it. You just spout “both sides same” rhetoric without looking at the actual receipts.
it really is a uniparty
It’s very weird that 1/2 of the “uniparty” always votes to give gigantic GOP tax cuts to billionaires and 1/2 always votes against this.
they are playing thier part, they know the tax cuts will benefit the dnc as well, since most of them are as rich or richer than the GOP, its performative opposition, but a bunch of the dinos vote against any significant bills that could make dems lose thier leverage in future elections.
Sure are a lot of no-avatar .world accounts in here advocating against uniting against Trump and the GOP 🤔
I suspect a lot of people don’t use avatars because they aren’t even visible on the app they use to access Lemmy. I don’t think Voyager has them on by default. Maybe I just turned them off a long time ago. Regardless, I don’t think a lack of avatar signals what you think it signals.
Because that supposes there are only two sides and there must be a winner and a loser. Partisanship is what separates it all and the DNC supporting Hillary is what got trump elected in the first place.
Trump has been a Democrat my entire life. He is just an old rich white man which most associate with the GOP. Because all politicians are corrupt and part of the same evil system
…we have avatars?
Right? I didn’t do that profile shit on Reddit, I ain’t doing it here either.
Yeah fr it smells like fkin tankie in here.
Everything to the left of netanyahu smells like tankie to you.
With all the zionists and people using the word ‘tankie’, I think it’s safe to say Reddit has fully compromised Lemmy
When is lemmy2 coming out?
Technically Lemmy v1 isn’t even finished yet
And never will be so long as those capitalist-communist-anarcho-authoritarian-Tankie fucks at ML are the lead devopers getting a paycheck off of it.
You cannot reform the party. Either it changes you, or they have you removed.
Yes, the Democrats occupy and monopolize the space for a leftist party. That does not mean the Democrats are leftist, nor ever will be.
I think there’s plenty of Americans that are just fucking sick of both parties and government overreach even if they don’t agree on all left vs right issues.
How about we finally start working towards a 3rd party? All these fucks that scammed Americans by talking about removing unnecessary regulations literally only removed the necessary ones and created some new ones in addition. I vote civil libertarian. Our slogan can be just respect civil rights and liberties, and stay the fuck out of everyone else’s business.
Multiparty system does not work. We should just eliminate parties 100%.
Maybe then I can vote for someone who has a chance of winning, because if they have a R or D next to their name now I will not vote for them
Can’t do shit with the winner takes all, first past the post abomination that is the US system. We need hundreds more senators, absolute defeat of gerrymandering, a dozen more sc justices, ranked choice and the abolishment of the electoral college.
How about we start with a just few 3rd party congressmen? That can’t be too hard, right? 3 or 4 congressmen not beholden to either party. I’m sure there’s at least a couple districts out there that the majority could be swayed if enough focus was put on them.
Then we elect a few more.
Then maybe a senator.
Now suddenly this 3rd party starts getting some attention. It’s still by no means a majority, but that’s enough congressional votes to give them a seat at the table. When votes are so split and close these days, even a small number of votes can throw things out of order. Demands can start being made.
I’m with you on ranked choice, gerrymandering, and electoral college, but I don’t really know how adding more government or senators or SC judges really fixes anything in the long term.
I think the people need to be given more power not the government.
For example, when any government official violates their sworn duties, that should be a much bigger deal than it is. we need to do a better job of holding people’s feet to the fire. When Alito flew that flag on Jan 6, that should have been an automatic chance for the people of this country to schedule a vote and demand his removal. This SC justice for life shit needs some stipulations.
Part of the appeal for more sc justices/more house of rep members, etc is twofold:
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It reduces an individual lawmaker’s power and (in the house of rep’s case) makes an individual rep much easier for the public to pressure as they will be beholden to fewer constituents per rep (less constituents, the less support you need in order to rally people to oust the incumbent).
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It makes corrupting the government with money a little bit harder: more reps = more people you need to pay off, and it’s not like every additional vote you need only costs $1 or smth, we’re talking you need to get everyone enough money to keep them on board, which could be an extra couple million/billion than corrupting people now.
That being said: you’re right, we need more than just that. We need avenues to hold votes of non-confidence (which will both allow us to get rid of bad/not helpful public servants, and also force politicians to stop straight-up lying on the stump). We need to institute public funding of elections to keep things both balanced and less-easily corrupted. We need to end gerrymandering. We need term limits.
You’re right, but they said senators, not house reps, for a reason. I have to infer they want hundreds more senators in conjunction with proportional representation being introduced to the Senate. Right now it’s two Senators per state which makes absolutely no sense on any level. The will of less than a million people in Wyoming is equal to the will of multiple millions in other states.
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How about we finally start working towards a 3rd party?
What do you mean “finally”? People have been trying that over and over and failing for over 100 years. It would be great to have a multiparty system, but there are unintended structural forces in place that will always prevent that. None of us alive today created this system. We are all stuck with it just like you. But ignoring reality just makes someone into a lifetime loser. There is nothing you can gain by making yourself into a lifetime loser.
As far as I’m aware, most 3rd parties in the U.S. have been some kind of offshoot of the 2 party system rather than an actual uprising of We the People are tired of being led by losers. We all agree on some very basic shit and this other stuff has been a distraction that led us to this point so we could be divided and conquered…
Let’s agree to the basic shit, revolt against these dickheads and rebuild something better as Americans.
But ignoring reality just makes someone into a lifetime loser. There is nothing you can gain by making yourself into a lifetime loser.
He says, in a thread about how the party is so devoted to the losing strategy of pandering right and punching left that it’s trying to oust its own vice chair.
Because the parties aren’t the main problem. The entire system they’ve built is the problem.
We don’t need reform. We need revolution. The only real purpose of our involvement in the electoral system at this point is recruitment, and showing people that the system cannot be reformed. I agree we should continue to push third parties and try to create energetic campaigns behind them, with the primary goal being to force the parties to rig it and show their hand.
I think it depends what you mean by revolution, bc DOGE/Yarvin/Thiel and the Heritage Foundation believe what they’re doing is revolution, but really it’s just removing protections for people and creating new regulations that cement their power grab.
They also will scream non stop what they’re doing is to increase transparency, but it’s actually just distracting people by pointing the finger at others and hiding what they’re really doing in the shadows
It’s what the Heritage Foundation did in Russia in the early 90s. Removing protections bc you think they’re inefficient only allows the people they were protecting you from to swoop in and take control just like they were hoping for
I’m speaking of a socialist revolution. Not a fascist takeover.
I don’t care what they want to call it. “Revolutions” serve people. Not demagogues.
I’m speaking of a socialist revolution. Not a fascist takeover.
So a Communist takeover. Not much difference in that and a fascist takeover.
“Revolutions” serve people.
Then how come the Russian revolution and the Iranian revolution and the Chinese revolution all killed millions of people much of whom were selected randomly? Why would an unaccountable government that doesn’t allow people to chose their own leaders be more likely rather than far less likely to “serve people”
ADAB?
ADAR
All Democrats Are Republicans
All Democrats Are Republicans
You mean except for the 100% of Dems who vote against the GOP’s gigantic tax cuts for billionaires?
All Communists are Fascists too.
I wouldn’t say “all” (but I wouldn’t spend too much time arguing against someone who does).
The organization is completely corrupt, but I think a lot of individual Dems sincerely care about people
“leftist” is not a synonym for “radical” or “Communist”. “leftist” covers the entire spectrum of liberal-ultraliberal-radical. You are not going to get people to become Communists/Stalinists by redefining words no matter how hard you try. Lenin and Stalin’s biggest victims were the other leftwing socialist political parties, not the rightwing capitalists.
You do realize the irony of telling someone else they cannot define a word while you simultaneously define it. You do realize that, right?
…but you can tell someone they have wrongly defined something while giving them the correct definition. Which is what happened…
You do realize the meanings of words are easily found in the dictionary right?
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/leftist
leftist
noun
- a person whose political position is liberal or radical; member of the left
adjective
- liberal or radical
