Can I ask, what is the root reason we hate Nazis? Because the main reason I can think of is that they dehumanize groups of people. Yes, they do tons of heinous shit, but it all boils down to “they aren’t human so it doesn’t matter.”
How is us dehumanizing them any different? Because we think our reason for dehumanizing them is correct? How does that make us any better?
Again, I am in no way saying we should be tolerating them. I’m saying we shouldn’t be dehumanizing them. There’s a chasm between those two points.
Putting aside the fact that I explicitly and literally said “don’t tolerate them”, how exactly does “let’s not dehumanize people” turn into “tolerate them.”
I’m struggling to separate the two. I have to dehumanize them to not tolerate them, because I love people and give them more chances than deserved in everyday life. To the point where my partner gets frustrated with me.
So, how do you define human? How are you defining dehumanizing? Because frankly, they deserve to be dehumanized because in my definition they are barely human and should be kicked out.
Just the plain old definitions of human and dehumanizing.
We don’t dehumanize murderers or rapists, but we certainly don’t tolerate them. How exactly is a Nazi such an extreme that the only way to not tolerate them is killing them?
I dunno man, personally I think shunning them, kicking them out of our establishments, severing ties with them, etc. is a much better solution than “oops I killed a Nazi but it’s okay they don’t count teehee”.
This is the same thing as arguing that you’re a nazi if you’re vegetarian because Hitler was a vegetarian. Intention and context matters.
The root reason we hate nazis is the ideology of authoritarianism and theological views on hierarchy and superiority that makes them feel entitled to entirely eliminate the existence of others for reasons of misunderstanding genetics and entitlement issues. We hate them for what they choose to be. Nobody was born a nazi, it’s very much a choice, and very much a choice of pure and inarguable hatred.
They surrendered their humanity when they refused it to others, the response to that is not trying to coddle their lack of humanity, if they had that in them to begin with then they wouldn’t have ever been a nazi in the first place, especially at this point in history. They chose to be what they are and they are telling everyone exactly who they are, if you’re too stupid to believe them then that’s on you, naivety and morality aren’t the same thing.
Nazis aren’t people, and you’re spewing the exact rhetoric they hope for from bleeding heart “humanitarians.”
Hard disagree. And that way of thinking is why we’re in the mess we’re in.
Can I ask, what is the root reason we hate Nazis? Because the main reason I can think of is that they dehumanize groups of people. Yes, they do tons of heinous shit, but it all boils down to “they aren’t human so it doesn’t matter.”
How is us dehumanizing them any different? Because we think our reason for dehumanizing them is correct? How does that make us any better?
Again, I am in no way saying we should be tolerating them. I’m saying we shouldn’t be dehumanizing them. There’s a chasm between those two points.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
Putting aside the fact that I explicitly and literally said “don’t tolerate them”, how exactly does “let’s not dehumanize people” turn into “tolerate them.”
I’ll take the bait.
I’m struggling to separate the two. I have to dehumanize them to not tolerate them, because I love people and give them more chances than deserved in everyday life. To the point where my partner gets frustrated with me.
So, how do you define human? How are you defining dehumanizing? Because frankly, they deserve to be dehumanized because in my definition they are barely human and should be kicked out.
Just the plain old definitions of human and dehumanizing.
We don’t dehumanize murderers or rapists, but we certainly don’t tolerate them. How exactly is a Nazi such an extreme that the only way to not tolerate them is killing them?
I do dehumanize murderers and rapists so I guess I need to bow out of this conversation.
Jesus fucking Christ.
I dunno man, personally I think shunning them, kicking them out of our establishments, severing ties with them, etc. is a much better solution than “oops I killed a Nazi but it’s okay they don’t count teehee”.
THAT. DOES. NOT. FUCKING WORK.
But Nazi’s don’t count.
This is the same thing as arguing that you’re a nazi if you’re vegetarian because Hitler was a vegetarian. Intention and context matters.
The root reason we hate nazis is the ideology of authoritarianism and theological views on hierarchy and superiority that makes them feel entitled to entirely eliminate the existence of others for reasons of misunderstanding genetics and entitlement issues. We hate them for what they choose to be. Nobody was born a nazi, it’s very much a choice, and very much a choice of pure and inarguable hatred.
They surrendered their humanity when they refused it to others, the response to that is not trying to coddle their lack of humanity, if they had that in them to begin with then they wouldn’t have ever been a nazi in the first place, especially at this point in history. They chose to be what they are and they are telling everyone exactly who they are, if you’re too stupid to believe them then that’s on you, naivety and morality aren’t the same thing.
Nazis aren’t people, and you’re spewing the exact rhetoric they hope for from bleeding heart “humanitarians.”