Good old “Nothing will fundamentally change” Joe.
Hey now at least he helped start a genocide.
What a legacy.
slavers gonna slave
that is our legacy
Helped…start…hrmmmmmm
thank you for starting one in America too.
Ah yes, the people calling out the democrats for facilitating genocide are responsible for the democrats loss. If nobody called them out, genocide would have been extremely popular.
Of course, if we had the power to sway the election, I wonder why the democrats didn’t just listen to us and stop facilitating genocide.
theres a lot of centrists who say they will never forgive those who didnt vote. I’m not sure I’ll ever forgive centrists for not standing up to be counted in the uncommitted primary vote. Biden would have won anyway and it would have cost them nothing at all to do. Somehow they couldnt be bothered.
They say Biden, I hear complicit.
It’s amazing how a being without a spine sat in the White House chair for four years without falling over.
Crime Bill Biden ran out the clock on purpose. He never had any intention to reschedule cannabis.
NONE.
The only meaningful change for this would be via legislation, otherwise trump can just as easily undo it the same day.
Edit: looks like the process is much more complicated and actually Biden already started the process at the beginning of this year (April): https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/update-deas-efforts-reschedule-cannabis-what-you-need-know-2024-09-11/ , I don’t understand this article
Edit 2: the letter is actually asking him to try to hurry the process up (the article from September that I linked says there supposed to be hearing scheduled this Monday (Dec 2nd)). It is very misleading (as you can see from the comments), because it implies Biden is just ignoring this issue completely.
https://lee.house.gov/imo/media/doc/letter_to_biden_admin_re_marijuana.pdf
He actually started the process to review what it was scheduled as to get it changed in 2022. It like everything else surrounding our government takes forever.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-submits-proposed-regulation-reschedule-marijuana
Everything with government doesn’t have to be slow, but congress wrote this bill so that two successive presidents would have to keep pursuing it.
It like everything else surrounding our government takes forever.
Unless of course it’s something he wants to do, like sell weapons for an ongoing genocide. Then all bureaucracy evaporates into nothingness.
His hands are untied when he wants them to be.
Look, I get that you’re trying to make a point, but this is like complaining your parents were able to pay the mortgage every week but not buy you a new bike. One is planned, budgeted, agreed upon by all parties. The other is something you want, that takes time and planning which has yet to take place.
Giving away arms to a genocide isn’t… budgeted.
What line item(s) can you point to for “Palestinian Genocide Budget”?
There’s literally a law on the books that says he MUST stop arms transfers to Israel, since the UN has declared an ongoing genocide.
So the genocide was planned and agreed upon before hand?
This is the type of level-headed, honest discussion I came here from reddit for.
As far as centrists are concerned, genocide is as vital as shelter.
The other is something you want, that takes time and planning which has yet to take place.
One is something Biden wanted, and the other is rescheduling cannabis.
Trump can just undo it anyway. What’s the point. And saying that’s not how its done is pointless cause they don’t play by the rules.
looks like the process is much more complicated and actually Biden already started the process at the beginning of this year
Right. He waited until it couldn’t be completed until after the end of his term. On purpose. He ran out the clock. On purpose.
He never wanted to reschedule cannabis and dragged his feet until he didn’t have to.
Y’all still haven’t learned that the US president isn’t god king, hu? He can’t just do shit by fiat.
You still haven’t learned that US legal precedent is God king. New rules dropped, presidential acts are all the rage. Biden just has to say those two words and he can regulate how long your ball hair is allowed to be.
All that needs to happen is for SCOTUS to agree.
Should be easy 👍
Doesn’t fuckin matter. Let SCOTUS mull it over for years. Drag it out through court for 4 years to see if he was allowed to do what he did do. Someone tries to reverse what he did? Fire them, let SCOTUS figure out for 4 years if he was allowed to do that too. Convince 20 lawyers to fight it until they are literally disbarred. I’m sick of democrats fussing over decorum and tradition and just giving this country away because they’re afraid of some vague rules. Make shit up. Not allowed to fire that person? Spin up some special cabinet packed with cronies and make that person report to them now. Literally anything. But biden won’t do shit. He’s taking a fucking nap, leave him alone.
Considering they already did, I’d say so.
You miss the part where the court gets to decide what is or isn’t an “official act”?
Sure, if the court case goes before them, on average of 4 years after the actual crime. But seeing as the Jan 6th case was thrown out, it won’t matter what that determination would be if ignoring the Constitution and attempting to overthrow the government isn’t past the line.
No the Democrats haven’t learned that, and are still taking the high ground.
He was never going to do it and never will.
Do what? Pardon people from state crimes, which he cannot do. Or write legislation making marijuana legal, which he can’t do?
The reason charges for drugs are different in every state is because they are state laws, tried by those states.
Do what?
Reschedule cannabis.
Stop making excuses.
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Y’all still haven’t learned that the US president isn’t god king, hu? He can’t just do shit by fiat.
On another note, I want to call out this link where we can evidently watch the proceedings Dec 2, 0900-1700 (assuming that’s EST): www.DEA.gov/live
Edit: I just read the letter (.pdf warning) and it basically contains 2 asks:
- Expand clemency for those with weed convictions.
- Issue an updated memo which would de-prioritize seizing weed and prosecuting individuals and businesses for state-legal weed activity.
I don’t disagree. This just isn’t the silver bullet many here seem to think it is.
Y’all still haven’t learned that the US president isn’t god king, hu? He can’t just do shit by fiat.
Unless it’s arming a genocide. Then his hands are magically and instantly untied.
Much like the extreme right, much of the more lefty people here seem fond of oversimplification of complex issues. Whatever helps support your position.
I think the point is more “As if by magic, all of the institutional barriers we hear about any time something good is on the docket suddenly are non-issues as soon as we’re doing something unthinkably evil”. If you want to make good counter arguments you need to work off of a “steelman” position of your opposition, otherwise it comes off as bad faith.
He is the leader of the army. He can send the army to do as he wishes (for a set amount of time and then Congress can force him to withdraw and not provide funding as well. Which would likely result in an impeachment and removal if Congress didn’t support what he did) He is not the leader of legislation, so he cannot make legislation when he wishes.
The Leahy law is meaningless and always has been.
Except it is still federally illegal so the FBI DEA can arrest and charge you. So far presidents have basicslly ignored it. But doesn’t mean a future administration well.
Yeah, that’s why Biden started the process of having them re-evaluate what it was scheduled as. But to make it legal, the legislative branch has to write the legislation.
All the executive branch is supposed to do is execute legislation.
Those orders being what is written by the peoples representatives (Congressmen and senators).
Right now either:
A: the majority of Americans don’t want marijuana legal and that’s why it’s illegal.
B. The representatives are not representing what the people want.
If the second one is true, it is our civic responsibility to vote those representatives out of office.
In 2020 and 2022 the decriminalization of it was voted on. If this is an issue you believe is misrepresented, every member of congress that voted against what you want you should want removed.
Then we need to look at the Senate and vote against every member who voted against it as well.
That’s how the peoples voices are supposed to be heard. Is it the best system, no. But it’s what we have and we don’t have enough people wanting to change it.
Reschedule. Plain and simple
How?
The HHS is a deciding factor with set rules created by Congress. To change it would be invalid and blocked by any judge before going into effect. Destroying the credibility of what was occuring and killing it in its tracks when it could otherwise finish. Trump doesn’t want to stop that, neither does Kennedy (Pretty sure he’s for it)
But then the democrats couldn’t dangle it in front of us next election.
We are still working on legalizing abortion with a simple law after 50 years. These things take time.
It doesn’t take time. It takes balls and neither party has em
Biden, smiling as he puts on shades and eats ice cream: “No. Peace, I’m out.”
I mean, everyone said he was too old to do the job.
Guessing weed business would boom, and government gain a tonne of tax, which Trump would take credit for.
So no. Can’t see him doing it.
Big tax cash cow here in Canada, that’s for sure.
Entertainingly only really for the federal government. Of all the provinces only Alberta and PEI have broke even or made anymoney.
Not saying there is not potential tax revenues, just that right now most provinces spend more then they collect for one (corruption) reason or another (needing to be seen being “tough” on drugs).
They’re not calling for hi m to legalize it, the letter they wrote is asking him to reschedule it from a schedule 1 drug to a schedule 3 drug. Still can’t see him doing it.
Isn’t it already ruled he has presidential immunity? Why isn’t he doing more? I understand he has some time but like… I hope there’s at least a “welcome package” for trump. I have no faith in anything anymore
Yeah. All faith in democrats wanting to do the BAREST MINIMUM to make a difference is flat out gone. Both sides apparently want the poor dead or in prison. Republicans are just gonna make it happen faster.
Its only immune if the supreme court deems it an official act. This court will not give him the same leeway as they will Trump.
The time to do that really would have been before the election… He did reschedule it, but that can be undone day one. I honestly think the fascist voters would credit Trump. I’ve heard them say “already things are getting better” with no hint of irony.
He did reschedule it
He did not. Cannabis is still Schedule I.
Damn you’re right, they did start the process, but the DEA pushed it back to 2025 after originally expecting it this year.
The DEA whose head Biden appointed decided to wait until the next president could block it?
I wonder if Biden ran it by Joe Manchin or the senate parliamentarian first.
He started the multi-year process to do it.
When he knew it was too late to finish it during his term. He ran out the clock.
So your options were re-elect the team who are following the process but started late and put and end to federal prosecutions while he was in office, or re-elect the guy whose last AG was 100% against any reform attempts and actively prosecuted offenders.
But no, go ahead and tell me how Trump was the better option here. This is why the republicans win. Everything on the left is a purity test where we endlessly belittle our politicians for not delivering everything all at once on day one, while the right makes plans that span decades to take power. Look at the Federalist Society. It took them decades to arrange for the moment where they would have decisive control over the judicial branch so they could crime with impunity. But tell me how Biden not completing a five year process in four years was too slow.
Maybe Democrats should have their own Federalist Society then. They’re the ones running the party and if they can’t implement the sort of multi-decade program that it takes to produce real change then maybe they’re shit at their jobs.
Their jobs are to prevent real change, not implement it. They’re fantastic at their jobs.
So your options were re-elect the team who are following the process but started late and put and end to federal prosecutions while he was in office, or re-elect the guy whose last AG was 100% against any reform attempts and actively prosecuted offenders.
My options were Harris and Trump. I voted for Harris.
But no, go ahead and tell me how Trump was the better option here.
He wasn’t.
Criticism of Biden isn’t advocacy for Trump. NEITHER OF THEM IS EVEN RUNNING. THE ELECTION IS OVER. But since centrists can’t defend their constant deliberate uselessness at anything other than arming a genocide, they have to pretend that any and all criticism of Drug War Biden is Trump support.
You don’t have to carry water for him anymore. It’s over.
or re-elect the guy whose last AG was 100% against any reform attempts and actively prosecuted offenders.
Um… Harris jailed loads of people, and opposed reform efforts too. For weed.
I worry that they’ll just open a can of worms and fuck up our farm bill access.
Democrats, the reason we lost is that we didn’t singularly campaign to Republicans in Detroit. That is the only deciding vote. 20 Republicans in Detroit. In 2028 it is TANTAMOUNT that we knock on 1 Republican door in Pennsylvania and 15 doors in Detroit.
* paramount
Uh it’s pronounced “Paramount+”, thanks
TAUNTAUN
Anything Biden could do, could easily be undone by Trump.
Biden was 6 when Reefer Madness came out. I doubt he understands it in a modern context.
I want the US to take back their production of Hemp
Anything that will be done can be undone. It doesn’t matter if he legalizes it federally, that shits going back to full ban day one
Not entirely sure that a major majority of Republicans are against it.
Dems really somehow let the Republicans become the anti establishment party in less than 20 years after GW, while run an idiot who failed upwards because of inherited wealth…
I kept saying the last three elections were like Brewster’s Millions, but as much money as the wealthy throw at both parties, it might be time to question if they’re just paying the Dems to lose. And even when they do manage to win, it’s at best Joe Biden.
Not even saying the DNC is being paid to take a fall. Just that the donors throwing crazy money at primaries know that the neoliberal doesn’t have a chance in the general.
They just don’t want anyone that will fix shit getting close to a general election. So they make sure the Dem in the general is one the vast majority of Dem voters hate.
That doesn’t much matter when the psychotic theocrats are going to be the ones in the positions of power
I disagree. Ultimately, republicans want 3 things: money, power, and exclusivity. If they can somehow make tons of money off marijuana when no one else can, they would be all for it. Basically they perpetually want Rules for Thee Not for Me.
So maybe they would revert it, but if they could find a way to make it theirs only, they would.
It would have to generate more money than the associated prison sentences generate, and the value of slave labor is about to skyrocket.
If they can somehow make tons of money off marijuana when no one else can, they would be all for it
That’s in fact precisely what John “crying orange leather face” Boehner did
Anything that will be done can be undone
trump cant recharge pardoned people. And he cant recreate purged and deleted records. He also cant retake equipment thats been given to partners on a 4 year lease.
Anything that will be done can be undone.
Clearly we should never do anything.
