I am extremely sure if you make a burger by yourself with good ingredients it will be just as healthy.
Beware of the added sugars in things that aren’t supposed to have that much sugar.
*calling meat, cheese, and bread healthy*
wow that food pyramid propaganda really did a number on you all didnt it.
Edit: im talking about the meat and dairy industies lobbying too, not just bread
It seems odd putting meat in the same category as bread.
In terms of pure health, there’s not much out there better than most meats. Yes, beef is a bit lower than pork and chicken, but properly portioned (looking at most of us Americans) it has very few downsides.
Bread on the other hand can be one of the worst foods we can eat. Of course, it is still all about moderation.
EDIT: Why the reddit-like downvotes folks? There’s really no cohesive argument that puts meat below bread healthwise in most situations. If you want to avoid meat, avoid meat. If you want to be morally opposed to anyone eating meat, so be it. Facts are still facts and misinformation isn’t the right way to fight that battle.
Bread can be healthy, just make sure it’s wholegrain. Read meat is acosiates with bad health outcomes..
But yeah nobody is going to put a wholegrain bun on their hamburger.
Yes, bread can be healthy. The right one in moderation. The same as red meat (per your reference), actually :).
But 80/20 extra-fattened with liver for a delicious burger? Definitely not healthy (but like a candy bar, it’s ok to have one every months or two)
But yeah nobody is going to put a wholegrain bun on their hamburger.
Uhh. Why not? Whole Grain comes in all shapes and sizes now. Hell, most higher end restaurants use whole grain buns. Not sure why you would conclude that?
This makes me think you’ve never had a 100% wholegrain bread
Do you live somewhere in the world where it’s hard to get? I rarely eat bread, but when I do buy from the store it’s always 100% wholegrain. I just bought some a few weeks ago and there were plenty of different choices on the shelf.
No wholegrain is easy to get. Just nog as burger buns in a restaurant. I wasn’t talking about bread in a supermarket
Your “source” is one doctor speaking out against and entire study where the researchers found “low” evidence that either red meat or processed meat is harmful. That’s not low health risks, or low percentage of affected individuals, but low evidence that here are any risks at all.
But yeah nobody is going to put a wholegrain bun on their hamburger.
yeah people do its not uncommon here
The doctor in your link says processed meat is likely bad all around, presumably due to additives, but that red meat in lower amounts (specifically, he says “2-3 times a week” and to use red meat as a side, instead of a main) is actually associated with lower health risks.
Bread can be one of the worst foods we can eat
Why?
I said it elsewhere. Basically, it combines low nutritional value with a high density pack of too-easily-digested carbs.
The effect is that it increases blood sugar and hunger, which very easily leads to higher weight. Higher weight alone is not immediately unhealthy, but it can get unhealthy pretty fast if you get heavier and heavier.
And the only objection is “well, better than sugar, so it’s not THAT bad”… But we have a lot of added sugar in bread here in the US.
Well, they sure have necessary nutrients
i love the greatest source of carcinogens in an average diet 🤤🤤
Everything is a fucking carcinogen, get over it and eat an actually balanced diet with exercise
nah meat and dairy is kinda gross
Of course. The unhealthiness of food is an emergent property arising from the arrangement of their constituents components relative to each other. The next time you have a burger and want to be healthy, just take it apart! Taps head
In all seriousness, for anyone confused by this, whether or not something is healthy for you is all about quantities and ratios. Specifically, that of your diet as a whole, not of individual items. So while I don’t agree with this sentiment, burgers can be considered unhealthy because:
- There is very little vegetables in relation to meat and bread
- It is very calorically dense
- Red meat is considered by many to be unhealthy in its own right, and burgers tend to have a lot of that
- It is usually consumed with large portions of fries and drinks or other sides that are also very calorically dense with little diversity in micronutrients
I’m sick of people claiming calorie dense food is unhealthy. It’s not. Calories are required for your body to function. An adult needs 2000kcal per day; whether they are spread out over 8 meals or 3 makes no difference. Eating the amount of calories of a hamburger every day is nothing special, especially if you do sports regularly.
This comment was made by the <20 BMI gang.
Only thing wrong with calorie dense food is that people eat too much. Guess you could add ignorance in there as well. Pretty shocking when you look at the numbers on the menu.
Not that people actually look. They got every excuse in the world for being fat, except the big one, placing calories in their mouth.
Calories are required for your body to function
not mine 🙂
Are you a robot?
A robot powered by nicotine and aspartame.
Who’s this? Snack from Metal Gear Solid?
Robots need calories too (just they usually eat “food” like batteries or gasoline)! Clearly they are a ghost. Or a Walking Dead zombie. Those things defied physics.
whether they are spread out over 8 meals or 3 makes no difference.
While I agree with your overall point, this isnt true. While there is still debate about the “best” frequency to eat meals in, its generally agreed upon you dont want to eat all of your daily calories at once as you overstress your gut and cant process it efficiently.
Additionally, eight ounces of steak might be lean. (It also might not, of course.) Eight ounces of hamburger, especially one from a fast food restaurant, is absolutely not lean beef.
I always thought it was the proportions that weren’t healty. You get 50% bread, 50% meat, with a tiny slice of lettuce in the middle.
I’m fat by nature (and environment) so I have examined and tried many diets, and I think I can only say for sure a few thing about healthiness of diets:
- if you eat carbs, fats beyond what is necessary to eat, are unhealthy
- If you don’t eat carbs you need to eat fats, some fats are better than others
- If you don’t eat carbs and you don’t eat fats you starve - to thin then to death
- Sugar is unhealthy and wrecks your teeth
- Highly processed foods are not healthy
So it’s as easy as eating a balanced diet?
If it fits your macros bro
Indeed, though it’s hard to get fatter on fat in absence of carbs or dairy
Becoming less fat? It’s hard.
I cannot do it eating a low fat diet. I find portion control impossible, I get very hungry when I eat carbs
The only success I have had has been on very low carb diets, but they are hard to stick to long term. I found the only one I can do easily is “zero carb”
Ed. It’s unbalanced - choose either:
- Carbs, protein & minimal high quality fats; or
- Fats, protein & minimal to zero carbs
If you eat balanced fat, carbs, protein then you will not be healthy
On the sugar note: Meat you buy in the store (for instance bacon) often have sugar additives. Better to visit the butcher.
Butchers won’t save you from sugar in bacon, many bacon brine recipes call for sugar, but a butcher will be able to tell you what the bacon was pickled in
Raw, unprocessed meat (steak, chops, chicken) is generally fine
Ah didn’t know that, thank you. I’ve just started to read the ingredients list on most of the products I buy from the store and realised I can’t even buy ham or many other kinds of meat, because of the sugar additives that they syringe into it.
additives that they syringe into it.
It’s usually only water they syringe into meat - so they can sell a 1.5kg leg of lamb as a 1.7kg ;) but only if your food supply is really badly regulated
The sugar in bacon is from the brine it is soaked in; in ham it’s from the glaze it was coated in before it was sliced - the sugar on sliced ham is all in the edge
Salami might have sugar to promote fermentation
Glazed sliced ham? No I’m talking a bout a big piece of meat without glace. I’m not in the states though so might be different there.
Sliced ham is cut from the big piece. And you’re right, aside from Christmas, ham isn’t usually glazed. I guess there’s sugar in the pot when the ham is cooked, so I think my advice is right - the sugar will not have penetrated far
I guess I haven’t thought much about sugar in smallgoods, as it was within the 20g allowance on keto (even with a bowl of salad) and now I’m on “zero carb” I don’t bother with ham because it doesn’t have enough fat
I’m also not in the states, g’day from Australia
What about protein? There’s a whole other macro you can use to make up for calories with if you cut out carbs. Eating near exclusively protein probably isn’t good for you, but you won’t starve. From what I’ve seen there can even be a lot of advantages to eating a little more protein, especially if you’re doing some strength training.
Protein is vital and is available on any kind of diet. Many vegetables, all meats, all fungi
Humans can either live on carbs or live on fats, in both cases we must also eat protein
Humans cannot (though cats can) live on protein, look up rabbit starvation. You will starve if you eat only protein, where eating only fat or only glucose will kill you much more slowly with vitamin deficiencies
It’s really not the burger that’s unhealthy, but the fries and soda you get with them
Fries could be argued for, its the sugary soda that is the real issue. Sugar is absolutely terrible in large amounts frequently…
Absolutely this. Sure the fat and salt and lack of veggies isn’t great for you, but the fries and soda is way worse.
The burgers are unhealthy too. With all the dressing, roasted onion, fatty cheese, oil, salt…
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White bread, cheese (at least not the one on burgers) and red meat aren’t exactly known as healthy foods. Definitely not in the proportions of a burger. Even more definitely not when you boil the meat in oil (often together with the onions).
She also is showing lean meat not 20% burger meat, it’s just dumb.
Look my internal butter system carries oxygen to my cells that’s why the doctor says I have IBS
Step one is to ask yourself what you think healthy means. Generally it’s used as a catch-all by people to justify whatever shitty diet they have.
Yeah, I’ve never understood why burgers are unhealthy if beef, grain, and vegetables are healthy.
Burgers aren’t inherently unhealthy, in moderation. The problem comes when you’re buying the burgers from fast food joints.
Real answer (since there’s a lot of crap going around).
Grain really isn’t that healthy in large quantities, but isn’t bad. But if you grind it into flour and bleach out the bran and germ, it’s far less healthy. When you bake it into a bread, you create this extremely high-density/high-calorie end product with very little nutritional value.
And beef, similar story. Beef is below-average on healthiness of meat (high cholesterol, though it’s complicated the same as high-salt foods would be). But in a burger, you usually use especially fatty beef, like 80/20. Restaurants will sometimes supplement the fat in the beef with pork fat to make for an even tastier (and more unhealthy) burger.
Nobody will ever say that tomato, lettuce, or pickle on a burger are unhealthy.
People eat too much burgers
Beef, under no circumstances, is healthy. Raw beef, beautifully seared beef, ground beef, AAA Chuck Sirloin whatever, doesn’t matter. Animal fats are linked to diabetes, cardiovascular disease, and cancer. The maillard reaction when you cook any meat at all is carcinogenic.
Can I get some sources? Im seeing opposing arguments about red meat being healthy or not in here and I’m seeing basically no sources.
Red meat is bad, white bread is bad, cheese is also shit. Also like others have said heavily processed
Afaik the least healthy part of that is the grain. Most breads, aside from a handful of micronutrients, are pretty close to empty calories. The killer with fast food is the soda and fries, usually.
I think it’s because of the quality of the ingredients. If you make a burger with homegrown vegetables and high-quality meat it would be healthy
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Silly westerners and your cheeses…
~(Proceeds to put mozzarella cheese all over his otherwise authentic Korean ddokbokki)~
Smothering Korean food in cheese is pretty authentic ngl
Just say you switched to budae jigae and you’re good
Have you seen old people? Eating cheese to eliminate the last decade of “living” basically as a zombie that shits itself sounds like a win not a loss.
It’s not as if your health will be optimal before the last bit of brie clogs your artery
Being from Wisconsin, this is essentially how the entire culture is. The good news is this means we have some pretty spot-on cheese replacements in vegan restaurants 😊 (I’m not vegan, but my internals do better when I pretend to be)
Everything has cheese, even shit that shouldn’t have cheese. I’m not complaining cuz it’s delicious, but it does (especially when added to beer) make maintaining a healthy weight and digestive tract a lot harder.
I’m a hardcore omnivore and bordeline anti-vegan… but there are some “faux cheese” options that are surprisingly pretty damn good.
I was tricked into trying a faux lasagna with cashew cheese. The “not-meat” was as disgusting as I expected, but the cashew cheese was surprisingly delicious. It didn’t entirely want you to believe it was really cheese, but it wanted you to agree it was a delicious savory sauce that worked where cheese goes.
The best fake meat is the stuff that’s at least real food, and not pretend food (like bean burgers, though those are still better than Impossible Burgers).
Especially if the alternative is guacamole.
It’s not just the dying earlier, it the feeling like crap all the time before it gets bad enough that you die from it.
I’d feel worse if I couldn’t eat cheese
but if you feel bad you can just eat more cheese to help
Replace me from that entire scenario because I ain’t eating that shit when I wanted a burger.
Fr. Vegans out in force here. Which is fine. No issue with vegans. But I have an issue with how much elitism and smugness is coming from this comment section.
The topic is a shit post about how easy it is to make healthy food unhealthy through bad eating habits, poor balance in ingredients, and through misrepresentation of food’s nutritional value. All the condescending “JuSt EaT pLaNt” is not asked for and obnoxious.
Replace good taste with veggievomit
You clearly need to learn how to cook.
It’s the heavy amounts pf processing and adding far too much sugar that does it.
Bin the bread bun and have the burger with a nice fresh salad and decent cheese and you’ll live longer and healthier.
Cheese isn’t healthy. Ground beef neither. I couldn’t think about anything healthy you could use as a burger sauce.
While cheese may not be healthy, it’s not necessarily unhealthy either. It’s got a good amount of protein, iodine, and b vitamins. All of which are very important and usually lacking in other foods (particularly the iodine and b vitamins). Are there options with similar nutrition that are better for you? Absolutely. But I wouldn’t say it’s necessarily bad for you either
Cheese is certainly not unhealthy. In addition to what you already listed it’s also a good source for calcium.
From a certain point of view
I know it’s a shipost and this meme is at least 15 years old. But meat, cheese, and white bread (especially the ones in the US with added sugar) were never healthy
Especially the US white bread which contains a carcinogen.
Take care not to make statements so inaccurate they are effectively meaningless.
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“US white bread” isn’t a singular brand and most brands don’t “contain[s] a carcinogen”…
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You never mentioned what the carcinogen was. Probably because it would compromise your argument that “US white bread” as a whole contains it when it does not. (It’s Potassium Bromate/Bromide (it’s used interchangeably online sometimes), for those wondering.)
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It’s not limited to white bread in where it can be used. It was an additive to flour in general.
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A lot of the fear mongering blogs, written by ‘influencers’ whose research consists of 10 seconds of Googling but not verifying a single fucking thing they write about, name brands that contain potassium bromate… but actually don’t. Example: Wonder bread (https://wonderbread.ca/our_products/white-bread-675g/) Chex Mix. Looking up their ingredients list shows the item in question is not used at all. https://www.chexmix.com/products/chex-mix-traditional/
TLDR: Think before you repeat vague, meaningless shit next time.
BTW, You should look into the horrors of Dihydrogen Monoxide.
My statement is far from meaningless. Mild carcinogens are still carcinogenic. Sure, a small dose as a one of will not cause problems short term, but long term build up is a thing.
- It’s a preservative widely used in US white bread, but banned in Europe and other places.
- I don’t know the specific carcinogen off the top of my head, I’ve never bothered to remember it, and didn’t look it up earlier while I was half snoozing being driven home.
- So you do know what I’m talking about.
- My source was Dr Joel Fuhrman. I’m not sure if you’d call him an influencer. While I do turn my nose up at some of his preaching, I think much of what he says is backed up by solid science. Not that I follow it myself. If it’s since been removed from most products then good for you and other people in the US.
Your link to Wonderbread is from Canada.
Chex Mix doesn’t contain azodicarbonamide (I’m guessing this is the one we’re talking about? I wouldn’t be surprised if there are others), but it does use butylated hydroxytoluene, which is also classed as GRAS (Generally Recognised As Safe) by the FDA based on a study from 1979. Yet both chemicals have since been called into question for their links to cancer. From a cursory glance, azodicarbonamide has a more proven link, while butylated hydroxytoluene has yet to be properly studied and the link is questionable.
Too much dihydrogen monoxide can kill you.
Alcohol is also carcinogenic - more so than bread additives - but I’m definitely having some of that tonight.
Also, Joel Fuhrman had a podcast talk about lemmy’s favourite, BEANS.
Edit: Bloody kbin users, breaking lemmy threads. Supposedly there’s a comment underneath mine, but it won’t load, and there’s nothing on kbin.
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meat, cheese and bread were never healthy, says a man descended from 10 thousand years of meat cheese and bread eaters
So if I come from a lineage of smokers it means smoking is healthy? I take your word for it, science man.
it’s about the scale at which these items are consumed - eating meat every day was pretty much unheard of until the advent of capitalism
Was it capitalism or was it refrigeration?
There are hundreds of ways to preserve meat without a fridge
Fresh or preserved (salted or dried) meat has existed as long as people have paid for them. Even ice was used for a while prior to refrigeration.
Nobody ate meat before very recently. And cheese was not your typical daily treat. Remembers it takes a long time to produce
Humans have been eating meat for at least two and a half million years.
But not in that quantity as we do today. In the past it was very special, because you allways had to kill one of your animals to eat some. And if you were a farmer who can decide to eat one big meal or ceep the animal and have milk for a long time its a preety easy decision.
And if you go back even more when humans were still “wild” meat was even harder to get. You had to hunt down an animal that was way stronger that you. So a hunt took days. If you got meat once every few weeks you were lucky.
Sure, nobody ate anything in the quantities that we eat today, but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t a crucial part of our diet. It’s amazing that modern industrialized humans are able to get enough calories and protein from a diet of varied plants, but if you’re a hunter gatherer you don’t have the luxury of a variety of genetically modified protein rich plants, you need meat if you’re going to grow. That’s the niche we evolved to fill, it’s why we have a highly acidic gut, a medium length digestive tract common in omnivores, and teeth designed to tear meat. It doesn’t take a lot of meat to meet a person’s protein requirements, the occasional successful hunt is enough, but without any they would die.
I am vegetarian for over 5 years. You realy don’t need any meat. That just some public believe the meat companies planted in our heads. For a vegetarian lifestyle your don’t even have to pay attention to a lot of stuff. In general it’s way more healthy if you do it right. The only thing is that it’s usually harder to cook something tasty, because you can just throw meat in anything and it tastes like something.
But what you’re missing is that being vegetarian wouldn’t be possible without the conveniences of our modern world. You’re relying on plants that have been heavily modified to be more nutritious to humans, and you’re relying on a variety that would have been difficult to find pre industrialization, and absolutely impossible to a hunter-gatherer. It’s not meat company propaganda to realize that human’s evolved to eat meat, it’s evident in everything about our physiology. From an evolutionary point of view, even farming is startlingly recent, an industrial world economy hasn’t even registered yet, so even though we’re living in a modern world, we’re still dealing with bodies that were built to hunt. That’s why so many types of overeating are such big issues, this farmed abundance just isn’t something that we evolved to deal with.
None of that takes away from the fact that vegetarianism is feasible and healthy today, I think that it’s great that we’ve reached a point where we can survive without meat. All that I’m saying is that we need to recognize it for the modern luxury that it is, instead of saying that it was ever the norm
