Really sad that S3 prices are still that high… also hetzner storage boxes
finally i’ll be able to self-host one piece streaming
my qbittorrent is gonna love that
Finally, a hard drive which can store more than a dozen modern AAA games
Can’t wait to see this bad boy on serverpartdeals in a couple years if I’m still alive
if I’m still alive
That goes without saying, unless you anticipate something. Do you?
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Well, largest this week. And
Yeah, $800 isn’t a small chunk of change, but for a hard drive of this capacity, it’s monumentally cheap.
Nah, a 24TB is $300 and some 20TB’s are even lower $ per TB.
I paid $600+ for a 24 TB drive, tax free. I feel robbed. Although I’m glad not to shop at Newegg.
Yes, fuck Newegg (and amazon too). I’ve been using B&H for disks and I have no complaints about them. They have the Seagate Ironwolf Pro 24TB at $479 currently, but last week it was on sale for $419. (I only look at 5yr warranty disks.)
I was not in a position to take advantage as I’ve already made my disk purchase this go around, so I’ll wait for the next deep discount to hit if it is timely.
I hate amazon but haven’t been following stuff about newegg and have been buying from them now and then. No probs so far but yeah, B&H is also good. Also centralcomputer.com if you are in the SF bay area. Actual stores.
Newegg was the nerd’s paradise 10+ years ago. I would spend thousands each year on my homelab back then. They had great customer service and bent over backwards for them. Then they got bought out and squeezed and passed that squeeze right down to the customers. Accusing customers of damaging parts, etc. Lots of slimeball stuff. They also wanted to be like amazon, so they started selling beads, blenders and other assorted garbage alongside tech gear.
After a couple of minor incidents with them I saw the writing on the wall and went to amazon who were somewhat okay then. Once amazon started getting bad, I turned to B&H and fleaBay. I don’t buy as much electronic stuff as I used to, but when I do these two are working…so far.
What is B&H?
I’ve recently bought a series of 24TB drives from both Amazon and Newegg. Each one I got was either DOA or shortly thereafter. I just gave up but I would love to have a better source.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1809439-REG/seagate_st24000nt002_ironwolf_pro_22tb_3_5.html
They are a retailer in NYC. Their specialties (historically) lie in photography and all the tech surrounding that.
Christ, remember when NewEgg was an actual store? Now they’re just a listing service for the scum-level of retailer and drop shippers. What a shame.
Omg I really have been out of the loop. I originally filled my 8 bay NAS with 6tb drives starting back in 2018. Once they would fill, i added another. 3 years ago, I finally ran out of space and started swapping out the 6tb for 10tb. Due to how it works, I needed to do 2 before I saw any additional space. I think i have 3 or 4 now, and the last one was 2 years ago. They did cost around $250 at the time, and I think i got 1 for just over $200. The fact that I can more than double that for only $300 is crazy news to me. Guess I am going to stop buying 10tb now. The only part that sucks is having to get 2 up front…
I got some 16TB drives recently for around $200 each, though they were manufacturer recertified. Usually a recertified drive will save you 20-40%. Shipping can be a fortune though.
EDIT: I used manufacturer recertified, not refurbished drives.
Refurbished drives sound scary. Any data to point towards that not being a problem?
I would absolutely not use refurbs personally. As part of the refurb process they wipe the SMART data which means you have zero power-on hours listed, zero errors, rewrite-count, etc - absolutely no idea what their previous life was.
If you’ve got a RAID array with 1 or 2 parity then manufacturer recertified drives are fine; those are typically drives that just aged out before being deployed, or were traded in when a large array upgraded.
If you’re really paranoid you should be mixing mfg dates anyway, so keep some factory new and then add the recerts so the drive pools have a healthy split.
Yep staggering manufacturing dates is a good suggestion. I do it but it does make purchasing during sales periods to get good prices harder. Better than losing multiple drives at once, but RAID needs a backup anyway and nobody should skip that step.
I mean a backup of a RAID pool is likely just another RAID pool (ideally off-site) – maybe a tape library if you’ve got considerable cash.
Point is that mfg refurbs are basically fine, just be responsible, if your backup pool runs infrequently then that’s a good candidate for more white label drives.
Thanks! It seems too risky for something like a hard drive.
As mentioned by another user, all drives fail, it’s a matter of when, not if. Which is why you should always use RAID arrangement with at least one redundant drive and/or have full backups.
Ultimately, it’s a money game. If you save 30% on a recertified drive and it has 20% less total life than a new one, you’re winning.
Here’s where I got some.
https://serverpartdeals.com/collections/manufacturer-recertified-drives
I looked around a bit, and either search engines suck nowadays (possibly true regardless) or there are no independent studies comparing certified and new drives.
All you get mostly opinion pieces or promises by resellers that actually, their products are good. Clearly no conflict of interest there. /s
The best I could find was this, but that’s not amazing either.
What I do is look at backblaze’s drive stats for their new drives, find a model that has a good amount of data and low failure rate, then get a recertified one and hope their recertification process is good and I don’t get a lemon.
And usually by the time they break they have been obsolete anyways, at least for 24/7 use in a NAS where storage density and energy efficiency are a big concern. So you would have replaced most of them long before they break, even with recertified drives
I bought 8TB for something like $300. 36TB seems quite attractive.
Depends on your use case. The linked drive according to seagate’s spec sheet is only rated for about ~6.5 power-on hours per day(2400 per year). So if just in your desktop for storage then sure. In an always (or mostly) on NAS then I’d find a different drive. It’ll work fine but expect higher failure rates for that use.
It will take about 36 hours to fill this drive at 270mb/s
That’s a long time to backup your giraffe porn collection.
What kind of degenerate do you think I am? That’s 36 hours to back up my walrus porn collection.
Woah I haven’t thought about that since high school. I vaguely remember an inside joke between some dope smoking buddies and i where we would say call the police in that nervous voice
…or at least call a rubber walrus protector salesman!
How did you know about my giraffe porn?
How you 'bout to call me out like that ?
That’s a lot of porn.
And linux distros
Just say it’s full of porn, it’s easier to explain
Always keep an nsfw tab open to swap to so your family doesnt see you on the arch linux wiki.
Depends on the audience tbh
Honestly, when I first got into forums, I thought they were literally talking about Linux distros, because at the time, that’s literally all I was seeding since that’s what I was into.
Werd
I have around 150 distros seeding 🤣. I need to get those numbers up!
You wouldn’t download your mom.
No, but I have downloaded yours.
bstix’s mom, has got it going on.
I have seeded your mom.
You’d go broke. Of course it’s all Linux, family archives and DNA test data, BTC blockchain, backed up FOSS projects, archives of Wikipedia, Project Gutenberg and OpenStreetMap, and of course - POVRay renders.
I wanna fuck this HDD. To have that much storage on one drive when I currently have ~30TB shared between 20 drives makes me very erect.
twenty!?
Yeah, lots of drives of varrying capacity.
Average Lemmy user
Ain’t nothing about me is average except for the size of my cock.
Your array sounds pretty average to be fair
nephew
with this I can store at least 3 modern “AAA” games
More like zero, cause modern AAA games require an NVME (or at least an SSD) and this is a good old fashioned 7200 RPM drive.
Surely no games actually require an SSD?
A lot of modern AAA games require an SSD, actually.
On top of my head:
Cyberpunk, Marvel’s Spider-Man 2, Hogwarts Legacy, Dead Space remake, Starfield, Baulder’s Gate 3, Palworld, Ratchet & Clank: Rift ApartIndeed, as others have said this isn’t a hard requirement. Anyone with a handheld (e.g. Steam Deck) playing off a uSD card uses a device that’s an order of magnitude slower for sequential I/O
It’s not a hard requirement.
But it is a hard drive requirement.
They stream data from it while you play, so if you don’t have an SSD you’ll get pauses in game play.
Sure, you might.
But Baulder’s Gate 3 for example, which claims to require an SSD in it’s system requirements runs just fine on a HDD.
It’s just the developer making sure you get optimal performance.
Once upon a time there was minimum/recommended specs. 😔
I can personally guarantee that it is a hard requirement for Spider-Man and Ratchet
That’s not how computers work, but sure bro.
Okay well try telling that to my computer when the games wouldn’t run without constantly freezing to load assets every few seconds.
Both Cyberpunk and BG3 work flawlessly on the external USB hard drive that I use. The loading times suffer a bit, but not to an unplayable degree, not even close
Cyberpunk literally has an HDD mode, I play it of an HDD every day.
With sufficient ram to load everything in you’ll just have longer load times, no hdd hitchiness
Forza Horizon 4 and 5 don’t say they require an SSD I think, but when I had it on my hard drive any cars that did over 250kph caused significant world loading issues, as in I’d fall out of the world because it didn’t load the map.
Forza Horizon 4 actually does include an SSD in its requirements. Thank you for reminding me about that.
It does technically work without it, just don’tgo over A class, don’t do sprints and there was 1 normal circuit that’s a tad big in a forest bit
If a game isn’t fully playable without an SSD, then I consider it a requirement.
Ever try playing Perfect Dark without an Expansion Pak back in the day? It’ll technically work, but you’ll get locked out of 90% of the game, including the campaign. Similar thing with SSDs today.
Oh definitely, game sizes are getting extreme and I prefer smaller indie games now 🥲
Defragmenting…
Man, I used to LOVE defragmenting drives. I felt like I was actually doing something productive, and I just got to sit back and watch the magic happen.
Now I know better.
I’ve never had to defragment the ext4 drives in my server. Ext4 is fairly resistant to fragmentation.
It’s not really Ext4 doing that, it’s a bunch of tricks in the OS layer and the way apps write files to storage that limits it.
You’ll see it if you use something like a BT client without pre-allocation, those files can get heavily fragmented depending on the download speed.
One of the worst things that the newer Windows versions did is get rid of that little view of defragmenting. It was much more interesting than watching a number slowly tick up.
Seagate so how long before it fails?
In my experience, not all Seagates will fail but most HDD’s that fail will be Seagates.
Because Seagate sell the most drives and all drives fail?
The thing is I’m a data hoarder who buys lots of HDD’s; both new and used. I have only bought a few Seagates. It’s always the Seagates that are fucked. I had a Toshiba and Western Digital fail on me but I have had 5 Seagates fail on me. Could be a coincidence, sure but the brand I have bought the fewest of had the most failures. I recognize this is not scientific in any way. I recently bought a brand new 8TB Seagate Barracuda and its still going strong. I hope if lasts a good while. My oldest drive is a 1TB Hitachi (RIP) from 2008. I can’t wait for 8TB SSD’s to become cheaper.
Nah, as a fellow data hoarder you’re 100% correct. I have a couple of dozen disks, and I’ve had failures from both Seagate and WD, but the Seagates have failed much more often. For the past couple of years, I’ve only purchased WD for this reason. I’m down to two Seagate drives now.
I feel like many people with a distaste for WD got burned by the consumer drives (especially the WD Greens). WD’s DC line is so good though, especially HC530.
I mostly buy new Toshiba drives now. The WD blue drives are fine. I have a few of them. I have a WD red that is reporting surface errors, it’s still going and the number of errors hasn’t increased so I’m not stressing replacing it. Also, btrfs gives me peace of mind because I can periodiclly check if my filesystem has corrupted data.
Any hint about the ironwolfs?
I’ve had my 16TB ironwolf pros spinning for 5 years in my NAS, no issues. People love to trash Seagate but I can’t say I’ve had any issues. I also have 6x10TB barracuda pros and they’re fine too, for about 10 years.
About 3 hours.
At least it’s not a WD POS
It comes with three monkeys inside for redundancy:
I’m amazed it’s only $800. I figured that shit was gonna be like 8-10 thousand.
Well, it’s a Seagate, so it still comes out to about a hundred bucks a month.
Why do you wound me like this?
Yeah, I expected it to level out around $800 after a few years, not out of the gate. 20TB are still $300 ish new.
