• BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    12
    ·
    19 hours ago

    I don’t care. I want to see MAGA crushed mercilessly, and purged from our government and society. That going to take someone with courage and strength, and that takes someone like Platner, not an insufferable weenie like Schmuck Schumer.

    • Godric@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      4 hours ago

      Fuck that, are politicians a special class of people who are magically immune to the consequences of their choices? America already has one party willing to excuse anything because the policies sound nice, we don’t need two.

        • Godric@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          2 hours ago

          We might be misunderstanding eachother, I’m saying just attacking a politician’s politics isn’t it

  • bampop@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    15
    arrow-down
    4
    ·
    1 day ago

    You only need to look through the comments section here to find a bunch of fake outrage propped up by bad faith arguments. It’s hard to know the right wing bots from the useful idiots, but based on the ready supply of disingenuous shallow talking points I’d say most are in the former camp.

    • dreamkeeper@literature.cafe
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      4
      ·
      16 hours ago

      It’s hilarious seeing all the bot comments on Reddit posting disingenuous outrage about this guy, then he goes and wins the primary by 60%.

      No one cares about any of these fake scandals.

      • bampop@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        13 hours ago

        I mean, personally I don’t even live in the USA so it’s not like I can do anything about it, but it’s crystal clear that the kakistocrats really, really don’t want this guy in the running. If I could vote for him that would be good enough for me.

  • godsammitdam@lemmy.zip
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    26
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    edit-2
    2 days ago

    Articles backfired, voters don’t believe it.

    Also, where are the articles on Collins’ insider trading? Her voting record on the war and her defense contractor lobbyist husband? Her alleged infidelity with a man that she then married while he divorced his former wife while she was dying of cancer?

    Nah, instead “Platner has bad vibes ya know, though unsubstantied” is totally more worth it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQ7PS26zGKY

    Also, Scott Pelley on the inside of CBS and zionist, conservative control

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dpK9lJ3ucw

  • unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    62
    arrow-down
    25
    ·
    2 days ago

    That headline is one of the stupidest things i have ever read. The dude is a politician, its perfectly fine to attack him with a political motive. Any attack on him would be politically motivated… If someone does things that are morally reprehensible, then they should be attacked for it.

    • favoredponcho@lemmy.zipOP
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      72
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      2 days ago

      You’re missing the point entirely, probably because you don’t have the context. The NY Times worked with a Heritage Foundation political operative that founded the Ladies for Kavanaugh political group to accuse him of “abuse,” which they were not able to substantiate. It’s politically motivated because the NY Times, although liberal, is a Zionist paper that would rather have a pro-Israel Republican in the Senate than a Democrat who calls the events in Gaza a genocide.

      • unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        24
        arrow-down
        7
        ·
        2 days ago

        I mean it explains why this headline is attempting to defend him, but the headline is still stupid. It should just read “The Attacks on Graham Platner Are Unsubstantiated”

        • Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          16
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          2 days ago

          But that is burying the lead again. Are the attacks unsubstantiated because legitimate victims simply cannot prove definitively that they were assaulted or put in a position of discomfort, or are the attacks unsubstantiated because they were made by a clearly partisan political actor? If you really don’t want to use the words “politically motivated”, you’d have to add to your headline that they were made by a pro-Israel, Ladies-for-Kavanaugh founder in order to accurately portray these attacks.

    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      35
      ·
      2 days ago

      If someone does things that are morally reprehensible

      Well, that’s the rub, isn’t it?

      Graham Platner cheating on his wife is the worst thing in history. Susan Collins green-lighting multiple genocides overseas, while callously turning her back on constituents snatched up by ICE goons, is above reproach.

      Meanwhile, Ken Paxton cheating on his wife is a private matter and fake news and only a woke transgender illegal communist would mention it. James Talarico met his wife at Good Luck Charles (Austin gay bar) and eats a turkey leg like a vegan and spent half his life as a minister where he claimed God didn’t have a gender. All of that is also supposed to be super bad.

      “Morally reprehensible” is just “whatever the Democrat did” updated daily.

      And yeah, the headline is baby-brained. But that’s American politics in a nutshell these days.

      Graham Platner’s critics are operating with a politically motivated double standard.

      Should have been the headline as it gets to the nut of our Zionist media priorities.

    • 4am@lemmy.zip
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      13
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      2 days ago

      The point the headline is trying to make are that they are baseless, they are making a mountain out of a molehill, it’s a smear campaign.

      The zionists, the oligarchs, the pedophiles, are all scared he will be elected and be a loud voice against them for like 6 years.

      • Doomsider@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        edit-2
        16 hours ago

        Remind me in in a few years to serve your words up for you to eat. This guy will go lamestream the moment he is guilded into the Senate.

      • 3abas@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        10
        ·
        2 days ago

        The Zionists and oligarchs are not afraid of a was criminal who went on 5 terror tours and loved his time killing brown people so much he got a Nazi tattoo to commemorate it, by his own gleeful unapologetic admission. His portrayal as progressive should insult you, not make you jump to defend him and accuse those accuse him of sexual assault of being liars so conveniently.

        • dreamkeeper@literature.cafe
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          16 hours ago

          No one cares tankie. He just won by 60%.

          You guys will never win anything in this country because you’re incapable of relating to other human beings. Go back to sucking up to your maga buddies.

        • Ænima@lemmy.zip
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          5
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          1 day ago

          It says that we’re willing to accept a flawed candidate that can admit mistakes, rather than some purist. If you’re not willing to forgive and accept flawed candidates, the downward spiral toward fascism will continue.

          The other side doesn’t give two shits about running rapists and murderers, but we can’t run a candidate that admits a dark past and tries to make amends? These purity tests have got to end!

          • 3abas@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            4
            arrow-down
            7
            ·
            1 day ago

            He’s unapologetic about his crimes and still talks about them proudly… At what point does it go from “flawed” to “rotten” to you? It might be impossible to change your perspective if you brush aside every accusation as a minor flaw.

            we can’t run a candidate that admits a dark past and tries to make amends

            He doesn’t. He never said he regrets his war crimes, he talks about them reminiscingly, he only calls the wars “pointless”, he has no moral objection to the crimes, he just doesn’t think Americans benefitted enough from them.

            He doesn’t identify the war machine as bad, on the contrary he wants to thank and honor and support veterans. Y’all need to stop pretending that’s a progressive idea.

            You only think in “their side” and “my side” to the point where your side winning is the goal itself, regardless of whether your side effectively does anything to advance what you think of as principals.

            Take his stance on Gaza, where he seems eager to cash in on people’s outrage by positioning himself as opposition to genocide, but you won’t see him ever address the real problem. He’s there to change the conversation and allow the status quo to continue. On Ukraine he’s happy to say that Ukrainian fighting the Russian invasion is “resisting with all the means that they can, and I personally think that we should provide them with support.” He’s unwilling to make a statement about Palestinians resisting genocide as needing support, he’s only ever willing to denounce past acts in a vacuum. Like a typical liberal zionist.

            He’s being branded as progressive by literally the same people that brought you Fetterman, it’s all aesthetics and zero substance, and you still have your arms wide open.

            • wpb@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              2
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              21 hours ago

              He doesn’t. He never said he regrets his war crimes, he talks about them reminiscingly, he only calls the wars “pointless”, he has no moral objection to the crimes, he just doesn’t think Americans benefitted enough from them.

              Beyond this I think the real smoking gun is that it is an explicit part of his platform that he wants to expand our navy. “Closing the shipbuilding gap” he calls it.

  • Godric@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    5
    arrow-down
    11
    ·
    20 hours ago

    Watching “progressives” downplay and excuse neonazi tats and allegations of domestic abuse has been WILD.

    Like some actual Republican-tier “I like his politics, so he must be a saint!” thinking going on.

    • Nefara@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      3 hours ago

      Haven’t seen anything actually substantiate the abuse allegations and they come from an extremely questionable source. People aren’t buying the bot propagated bullshit. Tattoos don’t make people a nazi, glorifying authoritarianism and violence while scapegoating minorities and being wildly racist does. The fact that he’s decrying genocide, praising diversity, and saying he will stand up for LGBTQ+ people makes every mention of him being a neo-nazi sound like a ridiculous joke.

    • CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      5 hours ago

      I like his politics, so he must be a saint!

      I’ve not seen that yet.

      It’s maybe more like the left is sick and tired of having this asymmetric requirement that it is that the Democrats that have to be as pure as the driven snow while the Republicans have no standards at all.

      I mean, the idiots within the Democratic Party chased out Al Franken, for fuck’s sake. Meanwhile, the Republicans rally around an absolute monster and total fraud like PEDOnald.

    • dreamkeeper@literature.cafe
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      7
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      16 hours ago

      60% victory margin. No one cares, bub

      Go donate to the heritage foundation since you love their manufactured scandals so much

      • LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        3 hours ago

        The only other candidate dropped out prior to the latest allegations against him. So he was running against a dead candidate. There’s still a lot of time before November, and who knows what other bombshells might come forward? I wouldn’t take a victory lap just yet. I’ve seen enough controversial MAGA candidates with personal issues sweep the primaries only to get gunned down in the general election.

      • Godric@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        3
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        5 hours ago

        “No one cares, he won” is a direct quote from my Trumper father. Be better, please :(

    • BillCheddar@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      5
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      16 hours ago

      It’s more like, “We’ve watched the media excuse a child-raping traitor and dozens of the most openly corrupt traitors in American history, so maybe we’re gonna tap the brakes about the things a post-war marine may have thought or did fuckin years ago.”

      • Godric@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        5 hours ago

        No, THIS guy with a fishy past and big promises will drain the swamp for real! Character? What’s that?

      • dreamkeeper@literature.cafe
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        16 hours ago

        Blue maga are you corpo dems who spent the last 10 years telling us “vote blue no matter who” and “Joe Biden is the most effective president in history” (lmao) all while whining about purity tests (which you force on everyone else now) and going apeshit whenever someone criticizes corpo dems.

        • Doomsider@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          3
          arrow-down
          3
          ·
          16 hours ago

          You are so incapable of critical thought you can’t even tell this populism bullshit is exactly what Blue Maga is. The Senate is a garbage institution that only exists to check the power of the people.

          But sure, pretend your guy is going to make a difference in the most corrupt institution we have. I will get your fell for it again sticker ready.

  • InfernoWarrior@piefed.social
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    8
    arrow-down
    17
    ·
    edit-2
    2 days ago

    Yeah… the guy has a Nazi tattoo. I will not support someone like that. I do not care if he says he ‘has changed’. Politicians lie all of the time. What is up with the party recently? First Graham Platner and then Maureen Galindo? Both OPENLY either has Nazi symbolatry or says to throw people in camps en masse to castrate them. EVEN PEOPLE LIKE AOC, Hakeem Jeffries, Suzan DelBene, Josh Gottheimer, Jared Moskowitz, and John Fetterman ALL CONDEMNED her and Brad Schneider, Jake Auchincloss, Cory Booker, and Janet Mills condemned him! Stop. Embracing. Nazi. Candidates. You KNOW it is bad when some of the most prominent Democratic Party leaders are condemning them and saying their rhetorics are unacceptable. If you get mad at the right for remarks that are less blatant than this over stuff like this where it is somewhat expected, you should be OUTRAGED that people this blatant are getting support in the party that is supposed to be better than this. It should not be a partisan issue to say DO NOT SYMPATHISE WITH NAZIS. What happened to ‘once a Nazi, always a Nazi’?

    Edited for grammar.

    • Nefara@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      3 hours ago

      Said like someone who has absolutely no idea what Graham stands for aside from what billionaires have paid big bucks for you to see.

      Here’s some things Graham stands for:

      Getting money out of politics
      Ending American imperialism and cutting military spending/waste
      Standing by and with LGBTQ people to defend their freedoms
      Ending the attacks on minorities and immigrants

      https://www.grahamforsenate.com/platform

      The simple fact is that without anything looking like nazi beliefs or idealogy it makes every person calling him that look like a paid agitator or an ignorant mouthpiece of the right. Call me when he scapegoats minorities and talks about the master race and then maybe I’ll agree he’s a Nazi candidate.

    • arrow74@lemmy.zip
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      14
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      2 days ago

      He never said “he changed” in relation to the tattoo. He said he was unaware, and honestly it’s believable. Is it really that hard to imagine some drunk military dudes in the early 2000s go to a tattoo shop in Croatia and pick a skull tattoo because they think it looks badass. If anyone in that scenario was a Nazi it was the tattoo artist for having that design ready to go.

      I swear people forget there was a time when we didn’t have the world’s information at our fingertips to lookup and know all these symbols.

      • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        6
        ·
        19 hours ago

        That’s exactly how I see it. Everybody assumes they know he’s hiding his true Nazi beliefs, but the more realistic scenario is that he was on shore leave with the guys, totally hammered, they take over a tattoo shop, and they all get tats. Perhaps they all got the same one in solidarity, and he didn’t even pick it out.

        Yeah, it’s all speculation, but so are the claims that he’s a secret Nazi. My speculation at least sounds realistic.

      • InfernoWarrior@piefed.social
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        12
        ·
        2 days ago

        And what is to stop actual Nazis from claiming they ‘were unaware’? I am very willing to vote Democrat, but it just seems dodgy to me. People like Angus King, Joe Manchin, John Fetterman, Mark Kelly, Gary Peters, Barack Obama in his first term, and the likes (this is ignoring candidates of other parties I would vote for if they ran, which is many)… but this just rubs me the wrong way. That being said, I do not have the option to vote for him anyways, so it does not matter for me. Last time… I literally voted 40/10/40/10 on my local and federal ballot combined (Democrat, Green, GOP, and Libertarian). It is because I look into what the specific candidate that is running for office has done, has said, their plans, and if they have proven they have changed. When choosing your leaders, looking out for deception matters quite a lot. Reasonably, why should I vote for someone who has ANY Nazi tattoo on him, REGARDLESS of his excuses? It is why I went from liking Elon Musk pre-2025 to not fully trusting him post-2025 outside of technology when he did the Nazi salute ranting about how his ‘heart goes out to you’ and ‘civilisation’, even though I think his inventions are great. I cannot reasonably support people who do stuff like that. So again, I ask you, what is proving he is being honest when he claims he ‘was unaware’ it was a Nazi tattoo? Why should I bet on his honesty about not being a neo-Nazi when I could potentially support a different Democrat candidate with less baggage?

        • Nefara@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          3 hours ago

          It’s simple really. Tattoos aren’t what make people nazis. What they believe does. If someone glorified authoritarianism, toted violence as the only viable solution to any problem, scapegoated minorities and was wildly racist then the idea they didn’t know would be indefensible. As it is, despite dozens of interns scraping over his public social media posts they weren’t able to find anything like that. The more the media and billionaire funded bot campaigns screech that he’s a nazi while he’s simultaneously praising diversity, urging solidarity and decrying genocide it makes an absolute joke of the label when people currently in office are merrily building concentration camps.

  • BiteSizedZeitGeist@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    8
    arrow-down
    19
    ·
    2 days ago

    I really don’t give a shit about Platner. I don’t care how progressive or socialist he is. I don’t care enough about him to fight over him.

    Platner hasn’t done anything to show he cares about my politics except talk a lot and run for office. I can’t think of a reason for anyone to give a shit, except that he opposes Collins.

    • wpb@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      3
      arrow-down
      5
      ·
      1 day ago

      It would be so cool if the folks downvoting you could make a coherent argument against what you said.

      • dreamkeeper@literature.cafe
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        16 hours ago

        A coherent argument against what? The comment says nothing of substance. It’s literally just some guy proudly proclaiming his apathy. That’s why I downvoted it.

        • wpb@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          12 hours ago

          I’ll try to be very succinct in the argument I’d like for folks to address:

          All we have to go on to believe he is a progressive is his word. We have not seen him act on those words in a smaller political context, to see that he not only talks the talk but walks the walk, like we for instance could with Mamdani, Tlaib, Sanders, Cortez, etc. Other than his word, which we had for Fetterman, Sinema, Obama, etc as well, what makes you believe this man actually believes what he says, and isn’t just paying lip service to get into the senate.

          It was there in the comment I replied to as well, but maybe this rephrasing helps you out.

      • Doomsider@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        16 hours ago

        They can’t, because it is all a conspiracy to get rid of him. Just please ignore the conspiracy to get him elected.