If Harris was a leader she would be out there touring like AOC. Shes not a leader. She had her shot to prove otherwise and didn’t.
I mean, if I were her I’d feel drained and devastated. Everything that happened during the election and people still picked Trump over her…
I have a hard time feeling sorry for her after leaving the left hanging and going after conservative votes. She made an incredibly poor strategic choice and it cost all of us.
Obviously she’s not the only one to blame here, conservatives deserving the majority of blame followed by people that stayed home, but she doesn’t deserve pity.
… not to mention she didn’t ask for a recount. That one was a red flag for me.
A recount requires a vote to be close, it wasn’t. Trump won every swing state. And with the margins he won by, every recount in the world would not overcome the 86 EVs she trailed by.
The election results were very close - and it was a big election, some ballots were rejected, there were bomb threats and there were also statistical anomalies. She should have asked for a recount.
Pity maybe not, but understanding definitely. If that were me ya’ll picked Trump over I’d tell all ya’ll to fuck right off while I prep a boat to Europe. Then all the people saying I should stay out of it would be bitching that I’m not participating anymore.
Exactly. If I were her, I’d fuck off to Europe and send a big fat middle finger to everyone asking for help.
Is that in the best interests of the American people? No. Is it an entirely understandable reaction? Yes.
If I were her, I’d fuck off to Europe and send a big fat middle finger to everyone asking for help.
Sending a big fat middle finger to everyone asking for help was basically her campaign.
Europe would be the worst pick for Harris. Maybe the Philippines or other thinly disguised police state.
So just half of Europe?
Exactly why she’s not a leader. A leader understand that you don’t have time to lick you wounds when the enemy is at your door. She should be fighting harder now, not sulking.
Drained and devastated but willing to lose again? Spray this turd down the drain of your empathy and out of a leadership roll.
If I were her, I would have had a plan B knowing what the right wingers were up to, and it should have looked a lot like what Bernie and AOC are doing. Instead she showed up then fucked off to somewhere else after hanging out with Dick Cheney for a few months.
You feel sorry for that god awful campaign?
Yeah. I have a lot of problems with Kamala The Cop. But she lost what might be the final election in American History. That takes a lot out of you
Not as much as it’s taking out of the rest of us, not even close.
If she’s still drained and devastated months after losing, she’s not emotionally mature enough to be president. What’s going to happen the first time a soldier gets killed in combat? At least Hillary has some cajones, Harris never gave me that impression.
At least Hillary has some cajones, Harris never gave me that impression.
Hillary had years of experience on the federal level. Senator and then Head of State. She was used to making choices that had a big impact.
I will always remember Harris for her DNC nomination debate performance. She personally called out Biden’s racist policies and how it impacted her. Showing that out of touch white men have lasting impacts on generations children. It was her highest moment. If you check articles they’ll say that was one of the highlights of the event.
And then became Biden’s VP. Just willing to ignore how he personally wrote a racist bill that harmed you because it’s a position of power? Alright. That’s sure a message about your morals.
And when asked about why by Steven Colbert: “It was a debate!”
So she should be all recovered by '28 then? /s
They cheated, and we ALL know it. If she’s upset about anything, it’s that she was cheated out of her historic legacy, and the spineless Democratic party backed HitlerPig over her.
If she were out there touring people would tell her to shut up and sit down. She had her shot, twice, nobody wants what she’s selling.
Is she even considering running at all?
Like when she was up there giving her chatgpt, “make me sound inspirational” concession speech rather than just being mad as hell like the rest of us. She’s plays leader but she will sit in the manager cubical while the rest of us eat the company provided cold turkey in the break room the day before Thanksgiving.
Completely agree. It would have demonstrated that she would have been a good president and it would have sealed the deal for her (if there are legit elections). She didn’t step up. AOC did. Says a lot about each of them.
I can’t imagine thinking about “serving people” when majority of them turned out to be hateful idiots that frankly deserve getting their faces eaten by a leopard. Let her catch a break maybe?
Nah, I’m not giving her a break. She handed the elction to Trump on a silver platter. It should have been a slam dunk election, but she chose genocide, money, and the Cheney’s over winning.
Ah the good ol american responsibility deflection strategy
How is accurately describing what happened “deflection”?
a bad carpenter blames their tools.
The Dipshit didn’t even get the majority of people who did vote, let alone the country as a whole
Usual: If you voted 3rd party or didn’t vote, you signed off on our current reality.
But you’re not wrong, and I have plenty to disagree with AOC about, but they’re all conversations for a better time; done and done.
Nope. I voted 3rd party because I didn’t want Trump, and I also didn’t want Harris. Maybe if Harris had tried campaining on what Americans wanted, rather than trying to win over people who were obviously not going to vote for her, we wouldn’t be here.
But she chose genocide, money, and the Cheneys over winning an election against one of the least popular presidents we’ve ever had.
Nah, 3rd party voters at least voted. This solely lies on the folks who didn’t vote.
No.
If you voted 3rd party in a FPTP election, you are functionally indistinguishable from a non-voter. You can talk about your principles all you want, but by the mechanics of the electoral system you are exactly equivalent to a non-voter.
Yeah fuck people who help dems win local elections and ballot measures! Those things aren’t real! Everyone knows the house and senate don’t matter! And neither do state legislatures! Fuck those stupid things that don’t affect anyone, it’s all about voting for the guy you think is going to win, not the one you want! Or, idk whatever you dems go on about.
Let’s keep attacking progressive voter base like the DNC wants! Let’s keep alienating them more! It will be a good idea THIS time! It worked so well that’s why 2016 was our best year! Way better than 2008 when we didn’t actively attack them! If we don’t ensure politics is voting against the one you hate most how will we keep all those non-voters at home, keep money in politics, and keep those oligarchs happy!
A histrionic straw man.
Exactly the opposite of reality. FPTP does not preclude third parties from winning, hence the existence of the republican party. It does mean you have to vote your principles and not strategically vote. If everyone voted for the party that most closely aligned with their principles, neither the Dems or repubs would ever wing the presidency and would never hold a majority in any Congress at any level.
Incorrect. I can justify any number of results with such a monumental “if”. Any strategy based on such a large number of people suddenly changing their voting tendency in such a way is unworkable. As one party splinters, the other is heavily incentivized to stay together and easily win. It’s a game of chicken; the first party to break ranks is doomed. People understand this on an intuitive, tribalistic level. Fracturing the less monolithic party will only strengthen the more monolithic one. That is reality.
Without organization sufficient to convince at least a third of the country that a specific party is viable, you cannot beat a strategic party with principles alone.
Hard disagree, as again, the republican party exists. It was a third party.
Practically no one votes strategically. The vast majority of voters vote the same as their parents and/or peers. The extreme minority of voters that care about issues vote for whatever party of the two that suits them best at the time.
But bigger than all these groups are the eligible voters that think nothing will change because people like you tell them they only have two options, so they don’t vote.
Because neither option is good. There is Nazi, and there is the group that appoints nazis. Both exist solely for their own power and wealth. Neither help people until the riots get too violent. So why vote. Why care?
So either we introduce a third party or more, and maybe give some hope, or we let the uniparty continue to win and we all have to survive a balkanized US when it collapses.
Without organization sufficient to convince at least a third of the country that a specific party is viable, you cannot beat a strategic party with principles alone.
Welcome to American politics, when the 2028 election begins in 2024 and the 2028 primary began in 2020.
I’m so tired.
I’d vote for AOC over Kamala, 100%.
I mean, I still voted for Kamala, but I wasn’t excited about it.
Why does the Democratic party have a hard on for running failed politicians? Kamala lost, let others step up. AOC would do great in the Dem Primaries
The fact that Kamala is even going to try to run again shows how fucked that party is.
The fact that’s she’s leading in the polls is fucking crazy
The worse the republicans screw up, the more the Democrats are convinced they don’t need to change. I don’t think Kamala is going to end up on the ticket. I think the democratic establishment is going to push Gavin Newsom and Rahm Emanuel or something dumb like that.
As a Californian, please don’t vote for Newsom. He has done an about face and is courting Charlie Kirk
The entire Democratic party consists of people like that.
Newsom is pretty much the only person under the Dem banner I wouldn’t vote for in 2028. I would enen vote for Pelosi but not fucking Newsom.
Bruh, it’s a meaningless poll. There’s no election coming up. Hoping and pretending isn’t going to change anything. Forget any pretense of another election.
There’s no election coming up.
The spectacle of election is never going away. We literally just had two house special elections at the start of the month.
We’ve got some pivotal gubernatorial races in November. I’m sure we’ll have more special elections as our existing crop of geriatric politicians die out. Then a bunch of legislative races in '26, etc.
The spectacle won’t end. We’re going to keep doing the ritual for a long while.
Yes, mostly meaningless elections. I wouldn’t even expect midterms, let alone the national.
I know it’s fucking ridiculous. She didn’t get people to the polls last time against Trump… if she can’t get people to vote against him she can’t get people to vote at all.
To be fair to Kamala, she hasn’t announced that she’s running in 2028. Neither has AOC for that matter. This is just some pollster polling against some names that people might have heard of.
Guys - go and advocate AOC on other platforms.
Including GOP ones like wsj comments, rumble and othersSays everything.
A PROSECUTOR IS OUR LIBERAL SAVIOR?!?!?!?!
I read the headline and couldn’t believe it
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Only a shock to folks who still think Democrat centerists are what’s gonna win the votes
“We want to maintain the status quo that led to the election of Trump twice!”
Exactly! It’s just… why?
Because no matter who is in office they’re still part of the enrichment scheme that is our government. They don’t really care who wins or loses because it doesn’t really affect them.
That’s why it’s important to be represented by the marginalized so that the decisions actually matter to the people making them.
I read it as “it’s a shock that she came in second” lol
A Democratic centrist literally polled at #1. It’s in the headline.
Needs a little Asterisk* next to centrist and a footnote
*still way further left than any Republican
I will vote for AOC with pride. But I’m leery about running another woman right now. Neither Hillary nor Kamala could win against Trump.
That said, I can’t think of anyone I’d be happier to vote for. I dream of her being President. I don’t know if swing states will have it, but I would fight to make it so.
Hillary Clinton won the popular vote. There’s no statistical difference in the chances of victory between men and women when running for political office. Lots of Republican politicians are women. I don’t see it as a big deal.
Also, lots of open racists voted for Obama. If you look at the polling and the interviews, it was much more about running conservative Democrats trying to get the votes of people who wanted to shake things up. That’s what Obama promised, that’s why Sanders would’ve won, by some measures, and it seems AOC is out there generating the same buzz.
There’s no statistical difference in the chances of victory between men and women when running for political office. Lots of Republican politicians are women. I don’t see it as a big deal.
It’s only a deal because the democratic party is willing to hold back all women just to prevent the success of one progressive woman.
Hillary and Kamala were awful candidates - they wouldn’t have won if they were men or if it were the first coming of Christ. (I’m skeptical he ever arrived at all). The DNC is the blame for their failure. Hillary was out of touch. Kamala had too many issues to list.
All that aside, they would have presidented circles around Trump.
Maybe because Hillary and Kamala were terrible candidates? Are you kidding me?
I will vote for AOC with pride. But I’m leery about running another woman right now.
…that we’re talking about a progressive woman.
Exactly zero people who voted for trump last election will vote for a non-white woman.
Country is fucked.
AOC is a progressive. Harris was too, prior to her role as VP.
She ran with Progressive planks, but she was a DA. She’s a cop. Cops aren’t progressive.
Yea harris is far from a progressive. She kept people in jail for bullshit marijuana charges.
And as we all know…
Repeat after me kids
All Cops Are Bastards
Attorneys aren’t cops. Can we stop with the right wing smear campaign?
District Attorneys work for cops and for the interest of the government. They’re worse than cops… They empower, protect, and exonerate cops.
This isn’t a right wing smear, it’s a reality check for libs still clutching their pearls over their shitty candidate.
And yet, the cops hated her…
Cops are not progressive, they protect the interests of the state, not it’s people
She ran on exactly the same thing as Biden and backtracked on everything progressive she said in previous campaigns.
I’m shocked that Harris is in first place…
I used to be shocked Biden was #1 in 2019. Turns out, name recognition matters more than anything else, and Harris had a historic campaign budget. (Not that it was used well, but AOC has never had that level of PR)
Not so sure about that, I knew who Cortez was years before I recognized Harris and I’m not in either of their districts.
But you are commenting on Lemmy, which i’d argue makes you atypical and your media/news consumption probably looks very different to that of the average American.
Technically I’m on Mbin, but I get your point.
That said, I was hearing her name in broadcast and print news reports way before Harris and I visit a wide variety of websites.
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How is speaking to the public not public relations?..
I only knew about Cortez because my MAGA cousins would rant about her and the Green New Deal and I decided to look her up.
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Current DNC leadership might push Hillary for 2028
Insert I’m tired boss meme here.
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I’m not. Most people are very passive politically and only know what the evening nees mentions. Most of them probably don’t know who AOC is (or perhaps only knows her by ‘AOC’ and the forms used her full name).
Harris is their default poll vote because they recognise her name
I’m not,
I’m genuinely skeptical that most polls are an accurate sampling of the population. Most people I know would never sit through a phone poll. Most polls reek of phishing. One of the very first phone polls said that Dewy would beat Truman in a landslide. It was completely wrong because it was predominantly rich people who had the phones to even answer the polls.
Who has the time for polls? Who drops by the candidate booths at the state fair? It’s a type for sure.
The only poll I have been a part of all last year was a phone poll entirely about optometrists and eye appointments and how they should be handled in the healthcare system. I couldn’t even finish it because the entire things was just… painful to go through.
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Ok look I voted for Kamala but if a candidate fails can we please run someone one else? You don’t run the same person over again because the same people who felt like she was forced down their throats are still going feel like she’s being forced down their throats.
And the same bs that was used against her will be used again. But people eat yhay shit up which is why it works.
And her tactics of bring out appealing to Republicans again is probably whay she’ll do again and that’s going to lose more dem voters.
The corporate Dems need to go away.
Screw Harris.
Is there even going to be another election?
Second place to Harris??? Holy fuck we deserve our fate.
Edit: upon reading the article (I know…) AOC has the best net favorability. So a little more hopium there.
The majority of the voting population answers this question based on name recognition alone. You’re way more up to speed on the options than the average American voter. We need to put energy into getting people like AOC in front of as many disengaged and unaware people as possible. NOT complain and whine that everything isn’t handed to us on a platter.
She’s in second place and we have 3 years to move her into first, that sounds worth a shot to me. But go ahead and throw your hands up in the air, tuck your tail, and say there’s nothing we can do.
We are closer than we’ve ever been in my lifetime.
The majority of the voting population answers this question based on name recognition alone.
Yeah I read the article, that headline is almost misleading in its support for Harris if anything. AOC has the best net
NOT complain and whine that everything isn’t handed to us on a platter.
She’s in second place and we have 3 years to move her into first, that sounds worth a shot to me. But go ahead and throw your hands up in the air, tuck your tail, and say there’s nothing we can do.
I shouldn’t have to educate grown adults on shit this important they ought to desire to learn on their own. They should know who the hell AOC is JFC. So I’m still disgusted, just significantly less so. And like, I’ll inevitably try to promote AOC, but I don’t owe this country shit. I want to leave, I only can’t thus far due to money/resources.
I’m curious, do Americans even have a “Modern World” class that explains current world politics in high school?
The fact that Harris is considered as an option indicates your statement is correct.
I jumped the gun, its still bad but AOC has the best net favorability out of them all. Harris has the most support by sheer name recognition. Its bad that people don’t know who AOC is though.
This poll is pretty pointless, as far as actually getting to know who people specifically want. The top runner this far out is pretty much always the last person to have run, because the political climate hadn’t changed that much and nobody has campaigned for the next nomination yet.
The important takeaway is that AOC, and presumably progressivism more generally, is getting more popular.
The important takeaway is that AOC, and presumably progressivism more generally, is getting more popular.
Embarrassing (for me)… upon actually reading the article, the headline is almost misleading. AOC has the highest net favorability of them all, and Harris is only past her due to name recognition.
I’m baffled how there is that many people unaware of AOC though.
That’s alright, happens to the best of us.
As for AOC’s recognition, It’s not too surprising, given that she’s a House Rep. Who hasn’t held a leadership role. I’d bet that a lot of people haven’t even heard of Hakeem jeffries, and he’s the party leader in the House. The last time a House Rep. Got elected President was in 1880, with James Garfield. As time goes on though, her notoriety is likely to keep increasing. As will her popularity, I suspect, or at least I hope.
Defeatists ignoring the number of people attending her rallies recently.
The shock to me is that Kamala Harris is in the poll at all. What rallies is she hosting? Is she even making any media appearances? I wouldn’t be surprised though if the DNC pull out the super delegates to say AOC has lost day 1 if there is even going to be a 2028 election at all.
Please god give us AOC in 2028. Shes the FDR 2 we need when this is all over.
