It’s almost like they aren’t aware of this piece of history
Gonna be honest with you.
Americans don’t have the balls.
Hope I’m wrong. Pretty sure I’m not.
The red run welfare Oblast voters will enjoy their shit sandwich. Fucking morons.
Comments prove they’re masters at keeping us divided against ourselves.
“I didn’t vote for this!” - Every dumbass that voted for this.
Paygo is a poison pill the GOPux passed in 1990
We see the results
Unwilling to figure out a sensible budget, their incompetence triggers automatic cuts… Next up Debt CeilingAs others have pointed out, this is social murder.
Make America Great Again, they never said for whom.
While this administration justified its urgency for punishing tariffs on Canada and Mexico due to a fentanyl crisis taking life of thousands of good Americans, the same administration is about to take life of hundreds of thousands of good Americans itself to make billionaires wealthier.
They didn’t need to if you remember who it was great for before…
Food and health. Wow
So obsessed about things named after America that they are in track for the second American revolution
Will Americans get to celebrate 250 years next year? Stay tuned…
On the DemocracyNOW broadcast today they called it social murder. I think that’s more accurate.
“Theft” implies a transfer of wealth, but that’s not how government funding works. They aren’t taking money from the poor to give it to the rich, they are just taking money from the poor because they want them to die.
This is what you voted for protest-non-voters.
Oh sure, my blue county would have certainly flipped the entire rest of the red state with my singular vote. If only Democrats had inspired me to believe in them, you wouldn’t have me as your scapegoat, even though not a single thing would change.
inspired
Thank you for admitting there was no logic. You want your feelings pandered to.
Move the goalposts much?
Seeing as this is a reply to OP (a top comment), your reply makes zero sense. It literally can’t be moving the goalposts. Just shows how you’re squirming to get out of the repercussions of protest non voting. Which ironically is exactly the thought process that got you into protest non voting in the first place.
You can keep doing gymnastics. Ciao.
Willingly. We collectively deserve it.
You’re disgusting, you’re okay with genocide as long as you get your comforts. We protested evil then, and we protest evil now. You only protest inconvenience.
you’re okay with genocide
Blah blah blah.
Move on to the next boring catchphrase please. This is getting old.
Herp derp, I care more about two nations continuing an everlasting religious conflict on the other side of the planet than fascism in my own country.
We get it. You’re dumb. You don’t need to keep proving it to us.
Whether you believe in the ends justifying the means or the means justifying the end… the world you helped create was granting power to evil, putting evil in charge.
You straight up chose the side of evil. Congrats on being on the wrong side of history.
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I will never, ever understand that logic. You had a choice, you made the wrong decisions, now own it. The more you justify saying that somehow orange turd mcgee was a better option makes you look like such a damn fool. And yes you said it by your action of “protest voting”. You had infinitely more opportunities to protest and affect change if Kamela was elected. Now all of your opportunities are actively being removed and the people you wanted to save are going to be exiled for a new golf course because a lot of you of “moral high ground” contributed to this bleak future. Good job.
You had a choice, you made the wrong decisions, now own it.
The pro-genocide protest (non-)voters have bought into the propaganda so thoroughly that I’m doubting that they’ll accept responsibility even on their deathbeds at this point. They didn’t give a shit about anyone or anything but performative actions to stroke their own egos and telling themselves that they are morally superior. There was one the other day who even admitted that they put their own SO’s life at risk but still see no fault in their actions and blame dems and strategic voters for their own choice to support making genocide worse.
You are not the fucking moral high ground. If this were a trolley problem, you’ve elected to kill five people instead of one. Even if the American left wasn’t going to move on the issue, the situation would not have been nearly as genocidal. For Ukraine, for Trans and GNC, for the homeless.
Absolutely, unequivocally, and without remorse: Go fuck yourself with a rusty crowbar.
Could argue that everyone who didnt give a fuck about genocide because it didnt directly affect them voted to kill 100,000 plus people.
Could argue that the same violence happening in Gaza, the same thought process, is exactly what’s happening here. The violence committed 3000 miles away for decades under US rule is coming home to roost.
If Americans were so pissed off about trump they would be out in the streets protesting every single day. But they’re too fat and lazy and dont know how to protect their rights. So if you want to sit there and be dickslapped by democrats pointing at Republicans and aaying they’re bad while half of them vote alongside them at every single point, then ya good luck. You’re not gonna go anywhere except further right. Get in an actual left leaning party with an actual.policy that isn’t “keep the status quo that has failed consistently going” and you might have a chance to have a democracy again.
Protests only work on politicians who are beholden to the people.
Trump is only driven by grift. The people who support him are only driven by power.
The whole country could protest, and it wouldn’t mean a thing to them.
We are protesting every day, but I believe we’ve surpassed any option for a peaceful return to government. Maybe… Just maybe if republicans lose every seat in the next 2 congressional elections…
Preventing people from starving and dying in the streets isn’t comforts.
You can stop parroting propaganda now, the elections over.
That genocide you are referring to has only gotten worse under this regime, not sure why you are patting yourself on the back so hard for retaining your moral high ground while fucking over our nation too.
Kinda fuck you honestly.
You didn’t protest evil, you stepped aside and said, “I’m ok if the world gets more evil”. Your “protest” did nothing to stop or reduce the genocide, it’s gotten worse. You’ve made it less safe for people who actually want to protest the genocide. Your only action was that you feel moral superiority in your own mind.
Yep. Now protesters are being deported. I believe that everyone who sat this out over that issue has blood on their hands and I don’t care if it hurts their feelings to hear it.
We went from having a chance to having no chance.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwy0ngd11yzo.amp
Their inaction isn’t entirely the reason, but a lot more people are going to be suffering than otherwise would have, all around the world.
The cuts to medical aid around the world, children going hungry, etc. Who knows, we might even get another pandemic. Wouldn’t that be rad?!
And you’re goddamn right. They ate propaganda and now get to feel good about doing nothing in their own minds.
Oh yeah, you really helped stop the genocide. How many thousands did Israel murder this week because there’s literally no one in the White House or congress even remotely trying to stop them?
And that would have been different had the woman who lied about trying to get a ceasefire how?
Y’all wanna argue over Israel like that’s a winning point for you when it isn’t at all close
Because it’s your only stance dipshit
Homie can’t read and is a hopeless idiot, sad
Damn, really sounds like some sort of political party should have tried to capture voters interest instead of pushing the status quo that has been suffocating folks for their whole life.
This shit is so fucking lazy.
Biden enacted plenty of progressive asks during his term. Harris outlined plenty of progressive asks in her campaign as well.
Just because it wasn’t 100% of what YOU personally wanted doesn’t mean it wasn’t good legislation.
Hope none of your family dies because of this, because if they do it’s on you, mr protest voter.
Biden? Progressive? lol that’s funny
The Democrats fumbled appealing to progressives, independents, and undecided voters. That’s a lot more that just one guy you are responding to
Funny how Biden brought up price gouging but then never acted on it
Funny how they brought up corporations buying elections and then never acted on it.
Funny how they could have enshrined abortion or medicaid into law and decided not to because they couldn’t even get their own house together to vote for it because they’re all paid for by corporations and Israel.
Funny how they couldn’t do the basic moral thing and not finance fully a genocide.
Funny how they didnt reach across to any left leaning voters but instead paraded around a family of genocidaires. Funny how they kept leaping to the right instead of even trying to stay as a democratic party.
Funny how they’ve rigged their own elections since Obama in 08.
Funny how you have no citations but still spread misinformation around.
Here are some facts with citations :
More drugs are coming from the US to Canada. Not the other way around.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trump-complaints-drugs-guns-border-1.7457605
The percentage of people who don’t vote hasn’t changed much in 100 years. Call them lazy, uneducated, apathetic, etc, it makes no difference. They don’t vote and that’s all there is to be said about it. If you’re waiting around for them to start voting for your preferred candidate you’re going to be waiting for the rest of your life. Stop talking about them and start making other plans.
There is plenty of discussion how this last election people didn’t move rightwards, they moved couchwards.
The difference in non-voters between 2020 and 2024 was enough to swing the election.
And it swung the 2020 election. Biden still holds the record for the most votes of any president ever, Trump was number 2 for the most votes ever in that same election.
You cannot swing for the center and hope to flip some republicans. They vote on a single issue, and that issue is usually, “who will hurt the people I hate most”. They like to play it off as “Fiscally republican” or some other shit, but it’s all lies and falls apart if you pull on the threads of their reasoning.
Yeah maybe its the job of the politicians to go out and get peoples votes and listen to what they’re concerned about rather than just sitting there saying well you have to vote for us cuz that guys worse
If you’re so entitled you need to be personally courted to stand up against fascism then Idk what to tell you.
Like another plan like move out of the country to somewhere smart ?
so only non voters and MAGATS are left behind to shoot them selves in the foot
I think they are already doing that.
They were quite literally funding a genocide and then somehow thought pointing out [the very real] fascist intent of the Republican plans would play in their favor.
Edit: it seems none of you have understood my point.
You mean this? https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/republican-congressperson-wants-to-nuke-gaza-into-surrender/ar-AA1FiCdJ Sorry that’s the GOP.
At no point did I say Republicans were not also backing genocide. Only that, maybe, just maybe, Democrats could have NOT done so, to give people an actual choice on that issue.
I understand you prefer binary arguments where saying one bad thing about someone automatically means the opponent has to be good on that topic, but the world doesn’t work like that.
Dude they want to nuke Gaza, while Biden was pushing for peace. But to you it’s all the same and “b b b b both sides same”. This is why you project “you prefer binary arguments”. Ciao.
They literally refuse to admit that an entire apparatus of a party wanting something, and then a handful of members wanting something of another party are not the same.
Then they have the gall to complain that the democrats didn’t personally promise them a pony and a unicorn so they didn’t vote.
Oh no! Its not like the dems didnt drop the equivalent of 5 nuclear bombs on gaza anyway…
Lol super weird attempt at “b b b both sides same”.
Harris outlined plenty of progressive asks in her campaign as well.
She also outlined a move to the right and lied about working super hard for a ceasefire
So tired of people pretending the Dems weren’t a horrific choice in 24, likely on purpose to give repubs their turn
You have 2 fucking choices. Sitting out means you have no right to complain, because you supported the worst side.
Literally thousands of families have been wiped off the earth because of Biden’s genocide.
Enjoy that moral superiority when ICE comes and takes you away.
If you are going to spread propaganda with no citation; I’m spreading fact WITH citation regarding the truth of what the MAGA are hiding and trying to distract from:
The average American spends way more in prescriptions vs other countries
Source?
Biden butchered children by the tens of thousands. I want to fucking die because I voted for that monster.
Huh, I had no idea Biden was Prime Minister of Israel. I’d always heard it was that Netanyahu guy.
…he gave him the weapons. And kept giving them after knowing what was happening…
And now thankfully Trump has stopped the genocide, oh wait he accelerated it.
With Kamala there was a chance things would have changed. The dems were at least applying pressure to Israel to find a resolution. I have plenty of criticisms and am pissed we spent tax dollars arming Israel.
However, now our government is enthusiastically supporting the elimination of Gaza. So yeah that didn’t pan out
My point was maybe Democrats could have differentiated themselves a bit better by NOT BACKING A GENOCIDE like the Republicans were very willing to do.
People stayed home because the choice between some genocide and genocide isn’t a compelling one. But democratic leadership is bought and paid for by AIPAC
lol the weird Facebook propaganda gets weirder by the day.
Oh well, since you’re spreading propaganda: I’m gonna counter with facts that US MAGA are hiding from the general public :
Because Canada hasn’t made abortion illegal: it has had lower rates of abortion among population comparison
https://www.arcc-cdac.ca/media/position-papers/54-US-Canada-Abortion-Law-Policy.pdf
Go back to Reddit.
To huff your own farts, bot.
Ps: to offset your fake bullshit propaganda: I’m gonna expose some truth:
US pays 10 X for insulin on what Canada buys it at.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/cost-of-insulin-by-country
Do… Do you think I’m pro-US?
I hate this demon shit hole country.
Clearly I’m a Russian agent sent to sow dissent on this underwater basket weaving forum. 🙄
Please tell me how Trump is any measure in comparison to Biden, go ahead, I’ll wait, you’re so full of shit. It’s leaking out your ears.
“Queermunist”, implying you are both queer and communist.
Mate you… you know you are the first group of people the turd wants to get rid of?
You deserve what’s coming for you, because you are the one asking for it, so when they come for you (because, unless there’s a very significant change, it’s not an if but a when), remember that you voted for it.
Imagine telling a minority “you deserve to be killed by fascists because you didn’t vote for my preferred candidate.”
It’s like they say! Scratch a liberal…
It’s called self preservation and acknowledging that America’s voting system is fundamentally flawed. You vote for harm reduction not perfection.
It’s easier to fight against the genocide in Israel when you’re not under a fascist government in your own country
Imagine being part of a minority that a president has vowed to hunt and actively or passively help that president come to power so he can hunt you.
Yeah, he personally turned 26487 children into various meat products for the whit house barbecue. He’s a surprisingly good chef, though. Those spare ribs were the best I ever had.
He personally ensured Israel had the bombs and international legal protection necessary to murder all those children. He did everything he could to guarantee those children died in twisted shieking agony. In fact, many of them did burn to death and he his personally responsible for cooking them alive.
Let me put it this way: I don’t feel like I deserve to live anymore for my role in the genocide.
Do you feel innocent?
Do you feel innocent?
Yes. Because our 2 options were a fascist, and a Liberal. Liberals may suck, but they can be worked with, and reasoned with. Fascists don’t have that perk.
Liberals are just fascists with better PR. They absolutely cannot be reasoned with, as evidenced by the democrats being exactly as complicit in the genocide as the republicans. No reasoning has managed to convince that party that Palestine deserves to exist.
Just admit what you really mean:
“The democrats may be just as genocidal outside of our country, but at least they’re not genociding inside our country like the republicans would”.
Or, put simply, “the democrats are evil in a way that doesn’t impact me”.
Well aren’t you mentally insane…dude go see a psychiatrist.
Do you dispute that the US armed Israel for their genocide?
Because Joe “nothing would fundamentally change” Biden was so progressive.
Hope none of your family died in the years before Trump like the hundreds of thousands of others who die each year from easily fixable causes but weren’t because they lived in status quo America.
Quick question, do you in any way shape or form hold the Democratic party responsible for their performance at the polls?
How many billions of dollars in student loan debt did Biden cancel? How much more would have been cancelled if the supreme court didn’t act in a blatantly partisan manner?
Yeah, I do hold them responsible. Shumer shouldn’t be in leadership and AOC should be on every high profile committee there is.
Not voting solves nothing. You know how you get more progressive legislation passed? By voting for the party that has progressives in it. That’s how. More democrats means more people like AOC. It doesn’t fucking matter if your personal rep is a god damned blue dog if it means there’s one less republican in congress.
How many billions in student loan debt did Biden create by helping establish the predatory student-loan system as it currently exists?
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What the fuck are you talking about lol
So, between someone who doesn’t allign 100% with my views and it’s not a nazi and an actual nazi, much better to choose the nazi, right? I mean, I guess it’s your vote so you can do as you please with it, but I reaaaaaally hope you don’t get any of what’s coming for you, because you know… you voted for all this so there is no empathy left in me for someone who’s getting what they asked for.
there is no empathy left in me for someone who’s getting what they asked for
Is that really something you think anyone here will care about? whether you “have empathy” for them? You have a wildly overinflated ego buddy. Have empathy, dont have it-- it doesnt matter to anyone. But if you could be less tedious and noisy we’d all appreciate that. Why dont you try that angle? Threaten to be yourself unless we do what you want.
“you have a wildly inflated ego, buddy”
writes dissertation on why they don’t care, because their opinion is the one that matters
Salty, much?
Dear non voters: You’re hurting no one but yourselves.
So I dunno who you thought you were threatening. But You’re dumb.
Are you trying to tell me that pushing to re-elect a guy who was falling apart at the seams and currently has advanced cancer, who previously won by virtue of the other guy’s approval rating being in the toilet… then replacing him with someone who would have been completely blown out in a primary at the last minute so she couldn’t even mount a good campaign who then got hobbled by her PR team into not mounting any sort of attacks of any meaningful value… are you trying to tell me that they did something wrong???
And if they don’t, let’s be sure to actively allow much worse people to take over, that’s sooooo much better.
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I really just wanna point out that this person didn’t say anything other than criticize the Democratic Party for ineffectually marketing their ideas. If you hire a marketing company to advertise your product and their campaign spectacularly fails even though your product is obviously much better for consumers than everything else, would you be mad at the consumers for not understanding how your technology works or would you be mad at the marketing company for doing a very bad job at convincing the public of your very obviously much better solution?
People need to know the scientific method and they need to do actual factual research on their own before spouting off online about stuff they knownothing about
It sounds like you should heed your own advice.
Oh shit, you got me with the Uno reverse I’m in shambles🥳🥳🥳🥳
I’m just wondering, but do you think that a political party that is literally apparently unable to convince enough people to vote against a literal fascist sounds like they understand politics very well either?
Apathy grows in America every day and it is by far and above a corporate move to make everybody not give a shit about anything so yeah, I blame Corporate America versus the actual Democratic Party. If everybody who didn’t vote voted for Kamala, we wouldn’t be in this mess. I also take issue with everything political being turned into political meme, thereby robbing it of its actual importance
Like do you see how this is kind of like refusing to be angry at a fire department that just stood in front of your house while it burned down because technically they weren’t the ones that started the fire and then getting angry at people who are getting angry at the fire department on your behalf because you’re wondering why they’re not angry at arsonists instead? Have you considered that like you can be angry at a lot of different people all at the same time for a lot of good reasons and that being angry at a corporation though isn’t going to change anything but being angry at the Democrats might change the Democrats, so long people don’t literally resist trying to improve the Democratic Party and make it more effective at convincing people to vote against fascism
If everybody who didn’t vote voted for Kamala…
The same could be said about third-parties with better policy plans winning their first election.
Americans have been poisoned with the idea that any kind of aid to poor people is the cause of poverty.
And now we’re going to get a hard dose of what its like to live in a country without social benefits.
As someone on SSDI, Medicaid/Medicare, and in HUD housing…… I’ve been terrified since Jan 20th. But I had hope that this bullshit might be stopped because I foolishly believed the Democrats would grow a fucking spine.
All these people who keep telling me I’m over exaggerating (on both sides) — especially my own family — will be shocked when I’m homeless or disappeared in the next few months.
This is a nightmare that never ends. I just want to wake up and for it all to be over.
This is what I call “what America literally voted for”.
*Won the popular vote but still a minority (<50%) voted for this.
30% of America voted for sitting on their ass and going “meh, whatevs” in November.
And where did that 30% live?
If not voting is voting for the person that won then everyone who didn’t vote in a blue state voted Kamala, so that 30% isn’t all “for” trump
And where did that 30% live?
Naahhh we aren’t doing that. If you want to do that, source it and then we’ll talk. I have no way of knowing where they all live, but if you do, it’s your argument, get to making it.
I have no way of knowing where they all live
Then maybe don’t blanket statement on shit you’re ignorant of
It’s your argument, dumbass. Bring the facts or fuck off. It isn’t my job to prove your own statement.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(law)
Since it’s such common knowledge, this should hardly be a challenge.
That’s because 1/3 of voters tacitly support this shit by not voting.
That’s oligarchy apologetics bullshit to keep us from changing the system. No need to make things more democratic if we’re blaming the majority of people.
That’s oligarchy apologetics bullshit to keep us from changing the system.
Or, you know, I’m being realistic about how things work in the real world. Or do you think that letting the fascists win is going to change the system for the better?
Whether or not you think its ‘oligarchy apologetics bullshit’, 2/3 of voting the population either explicitly or tacitly supported this shit. So yeah, I’m going to blame the majority for the outcome of a majority vote. Ignoring that fact is just going to make getting any meaningful change that much harder, and its hilarious to watch people justify their inaction in the face of the result of their choice.
How exactly does blaming your neighbors create meaningful change? I don’t care whether you think it’s right or wrong, I am asking how it actually helps improve the system.
How exactly does blaming your neighbors create meaningful change?
I don’t know, short of trying to show people the errors of their ways in tacitly supporting a fascist. But what other options do we have? Lie to them and say “it’s totally not your fault that trump was elected, even though you chose not to put forth the bare minimum effort to stop him”? I get that electoral politics isn’t enough (and we all need to be out in the streets doing what we can to resist), but I’m tired of pretending that the third of the country that’s checked out of politics isn’t also responsible for the people that get elected while they chose to abdicate their responsibility as a member of the voting public.
If this was your neighbors dog is shitting in your yard and not cleaning it up, would you blame the neighbor for their choice (leaving shit in your yard you have to deal with because they couldn’t be bothered to pick it up) and try to help them see the error of their ways, or would you ignore the shit entirely and hope they do better next time?
I don’t care whether you think it’s right or wrong, I am asking how it actually helps improve the system.
Turning your question around, how does ignoring the culpability of nonvoters in election outcomes improve the system? Do you think we’ll see an improvement in turnout if we ignore that republicans only win through voter suppression and don’t point out that encouraging not voting is one of their preferred strategies?
Increased participation is one of the best ways we can get out of this hole, and I’m really tired of people supposedly in my side constantly getting own goals with this kind of rhetoric.
The fptp voting system and gerrymandering did a lot of heavy lifting.
Sorry – no one can hear how right you are, over the simple glee of blaming the working class for getting so disenfranchised.
Larceny this, mugging that… Can we talk about the greater reach of white collar crime a sec, r?
Ah, sadly, no. That story was cut from the broadcast because we found a story about a dog that rides a motorcycle in Sioux City.
“Market research” by our corporate owners says that white collar crime doesn’t bring in the advertising dollars unless the victims are other wealthy people.
“I’m not into politics. It doesn’t impact my life.”
I said this a million times last year on the leftist threads to people crying about the lesser evil. I don’t wish any pain on their lives but I also don’t know how to get through their thick skulls how real life can get unless they experience it from time to time.
I hope they have the day they voted for.
Simple as that. My empathy for those people is gone.
Because voting is not compulsory in your country so there’s no incentive to provide accessibility for people to vote.
Face it, you need a different system. Not going to happen without violence though… It’s a very sad state of affairs.
That’s the same number it’s been for 100 years. You’re never going to change that by pointing it out so what is the goal of this conversation?
That is the kind of aggressive apatheist mentality which got the US into this situation in the first place.
I’m not apathetic, I’m realistic. No one has moved that needle significantly in 100 years so talking about it like you’re going to make it happen seems like setting yourself up to fail. Work with what you have instead of wishing you could have more. That’s how progress is made.
No, voter suppression and the two party system are what got us in this situation.
We don’t have such low voter participation because of vibes. It’s structural.
That’s the reality of America’s FPTP system.
If you did not vote for Harris, then you helped (directly or indirectly) Trump get elected.
Eh those who stayed home also voted for this.
That’s the usual reality of voting though. It doesn’t mean every American wanted it, but it still means America voted for this.
**supposedly
