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She set a tone at the very start when she walked right into his space to shake his hand and made him almost pull back into himself in response. She was in charge and never stopped being in charge.
Harris also managed what neither Joe Biden nor Hillary Clinton nor any of the 2016 Republicans managed to do which is successfully bait Donald Trump and get under his skin. Within a few minutes Trump was visibly angry and not in a way that empowered him but in a way that made him lose focus, go down rabbit holes and generally go off onto damaging tangents. Spittle anger, not righteous anger, shall we say.
As soon as she said small crowd size and low energy people leaving early he lost it lol
It was such obvious bait, I was a bit shocked that he took it!
I wasn’t shocked at all (except the general shock that a person like this has ever come close to the presidency). Particularly in recent years, I’ve seen him take bait so many times which wasn’t even intended as bait, but it triggered him. And because it slightly grazed his fragile ego, priority number one for him is to go on an ego-defending tangent that only confuses and undermines any points he could have made about the actual topic.
Harris knew that as long as she peppered her responses with a trigger here and a trigger there, he would be unable to help himself every time. And that’s what we saw.
Yeah I don’t understand how people are still surprised by this either. He is an unrepentant, raging malignant narcissist. He physically - biologically! - cannot resist defending his ego when challenged.
The entire reason he ran in the first place was because Obama made a joke about him in a speech, and it embarrassed him.
I’m more shocked that Democrats haven’t tried to bait him this way much before. It’s not hard to get him to prattle on about nothing while you look like the grown-up in the room.
“When they go low, we go high” 😑
Ahh, right, that shit that sounded nice but didn’t work.
It’d work if Americans weren’t morons. But we are so we go low now
Only took us 8 years to figure out
“When they go low, we
gogive them a high knee”
Really? You were shocked? Lol
I’m still stuck on this thing about how undocumented immigrants are coming to America to eat dogs and cats, but in the process are being forcibly sent to American Prisons which are actually a front for experimental sex changing drugs creating a squad of latinas-who-used-to-be-latinos with the goal of sending them to dominate women’s sports, and the existence of transpeople like myself are an elaborate hoax to manufacture consent for this program.
Do I understand that correctly, that is actually what Donald Trump unironically believes?
“THEY’RE EATING THE DOGS!” is quickly becoming a thing in my house. That’s how my daughter greeted me after school today
Haha.
A sticker of this should go on every gas pump in America.
Trump’s head with a little dialogue bubble…
Don’t forget that the immigrants are coming from insane asylums, and are not legal immigrants seeking asylum.
It’s hilarious, he obviously literally does not know the difference between “insane asylum” and “seeking asylum”. He’s so goddamn stupid he thinks they’re the same word.
Goddamn, I wish a moderator had called him out on that one. I didn’t realize he was referencing asylum seekers, and the humiliation as they explain it slowly to him would be wonderful.
By the millions! Millions i tell you
If the last person who talked to him was Stephen Miller, it probably is. To paraphrase George Burns, putting an idea into his head is like putting a basketball into a thimble.
putting an idea into his head is like putting a basketball into a thimble.
I’m so going to steal this expression!
He doesn’t believe anything he says. He doesn’t even hear himself. He’s like a poorly trained LLM at this point. It’s become so over tuned it’s only spews nonsense with conviction
He doesn’t believe anything he says.
Trump has often bragged about how good he is at deceiving people. Anyone who thinks Traitorapist Trump believes his own shit has been Trumped.
Man, I’d hate to sneak into the US just to chill and chow down on some cats, just to end up winning gold medals in woman’s sports
Would be super annoyed
You forgot the part about how the trans surgeries are actually medical experiments to create an alien-human hybrid to prepare the Earth for the upcoming alien invasion.
Did he say that? I am going to have to watch this now. That’s fucking crazy
No, I stole it from the X Files.
But the notion that it sounds plausible compared to something Trump would say is really telling, isn’t it?
Can I come to your prison? I would like to be a latina please 🥺💃🏽
Every accusation a confession.
All Trump proved is that he is the social media-addicted racist uncle everyone has in their family. That is what he demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt.
“I saw it on television”
This is what my parents unironically believe. Maybe not the part about eating dogs but definitely the rest. They think liberalism is some kind of conspiracy to turn everyone into transgender stoners.
Liberalism would be a lot cooler if it was.
The dudebro to anarchist trans girl pipeline is a widely observed phenomenon.
Capitalism would be in trouble if we were in charge.
He can’t hold a thought that coplicated in his head.
I’m not American, but that was fun to watch. I had my popcorn and everything. It felt like I’m watching Cartman debate Wendy or something.
It was easy for you to enjoy because you were not worried every second that if it went poorly, you were about to live in an authoritarian state.
EDIT : poor phrasing that changed the meaning.
It’s worse than that, because if Trump takes back over then gawd only knows what he’ll wreck outside our country.
I did not worry every second that I allegedly am about to to live in an authoritarian state.
What are you talking about?
See my corrected post.
Maybe they meant you don’t have to worry about living in authoritarian state if he wins.
Correct. I really need that up and I’ve corrected it.
Lmao. Idk if id compare Kamala to Wendy but well done sir.
He says he won and his supporters believe it. That’s all they need. Doesn’t matter if he was dominated or not.
Trump and his followers are truth proclaimers, not truth seekers. They believe truth is dictated by consensus, volume, devotion, etc because that’s what their religion and their narcissistic delusions teach them. Everyone else knows that truth is something to be analyzed and determined, not proclaimed.
So in general, yeah it’s a waste of time paying attention to what their reaction is. They’re a predictable bunch.
They believe truth is dictated by consensus, volume, devotion, etc because that’s what their religion and their narcissistic delusions teach them. Everyone else knows that truth is something to be analyzed and determined, not proclaimed.
It’s the same old shit the Nazis did.
I don’t think you can use a racist cult as a measuring stick. Of course it doesn’t matter to them, that doesn’t mean it doesn’t matter at all.
He didn’t say it didn’t matter, he said it’s a waste of time worrying about their reactions. Which in a sense, is true, considering how predictable those reasons always are.
But it also reassures anyone hesitant about her ability to hold her own as a leader. Her real job was not coming off as a political hack from a desperate party. And instead she played him like a concert fucking pianist.
Just like for almost 4 years the American ppl have been played like “a concert fucking pianist”?
See ya at the pump. Or the grocery store. Or living behind a 7 Eleven because housing prices are out of control.
Look at the deeds, not the words. She is part of the current administration and cannot run from her track record.
Current admin has accomplished more towards my political priorities than any republican candidate ever has or ever will.
We get it, whatever single issue you’re hung up on means you hate Harris. Whatever. Be an adult.
That’s good advice. Look at the deeds. What has the rapist felon done?
This isn’t accurate. They may not change their vote, but this hurt them. This further proved that Trump is demented, bumbling, and easy to manipulate.
In a triage situation, you focus on those who are most likely to survive given the resources available. You can’t fix extremists so focus on the ones you can save instead.
Keep in mind, Blue MAGA here tried to claim Biden won his debate.
It’s obligatory for those on a team to claim they win. If you were voting for Harris before the debate, you are still voting for Harris after the debate. If you were voting for Trump, there is almost no chance that changed based on this debate.
If you are on the right and not voting for Trump this election, you probably aren’t voting. Cheney isn’t bringing votes to the Democrats.
The votes left to get (amongst registered) are leftists who are still struggling to vote for a candidate who supports a genocide. You won’t get them abusing them with the idea that they need to sacrifice their morals for a candidate. Only the candidate can get those voters, and they can only do so with a policy shift. It’s probably about 2.5 to 5 percent of registered Democrats s in this bucket. More than enough to make or break the Harris candidacy.
https://www.mapresearch.org/democracy-maps/voter_registration_deadlines
The only other option for more votes is to create more registered voters (link above). So we’re very rapidly coming up to the point where neither the Harris or Trump campaign can j crease their vote share in the critical states that are going to decide this election.
Using the relatively well established rule of about 2 weeks for information to filter through the news and to emerge in polling, and the consideration that the voter registration deadline is coming up, that we should expect a policy shift from Harris around October 12th -16th. This is simply because there really aren’t any more votes for the campaign to get once the registration deadlines begin to pass.
I’ve never heard anyone claiming that Biden won his debate. I’ve heard some say it was survivable, which it was not. Having watched both debates, I think it’s pretty safe to say that Biden lost his and Harris won hers. Both with rather big margins.
I mean, their claims were happening here, live. See the past mega threads. There really is no reason to cite ignorance for something so easily verifiable.
The votes left to get (amongst registered) are leftists who are still struggling to vote for a candidate who supports a genocide.
I can’t tell if you’re being genuine and clueless or malicious.
Let’s assume you’re the former first. WaPo did a pretty cool piece with undecided swing voters during the debate. It resulted in a small but significant shift left. You can check it out here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/interactive/2024/presidential-debate-voter-poll/
Unfortunately, I’m going to assume the latter. To quote Kamala, “This is the same tired old playbook” the Russian troll farms trotted out when Biden was in the race. I’m not sure if you’re one of those that fell for it or if you’re a troll yourself, but it’s not working anymore. If Trump were in office, he’d gleefully tell Netanyahu to bomb Palestine out of existence. If this is going to be a talking point, at least discuss it in good faith.
The mood in r/conservative seems to be fairly in agreement with this headline. Kind of delicious to creep on lol
You are far braver than I.
But what’s the reaction on his propaganda platform with the hilariously tanking stock?
Hey cool, its price finally fell below what its initial offer price was. That’s the first time in its lifetime.
That’s still way, way, way too high. But still.
That’s still way, way, way too high. But still.
You mean $8,000,000,000 was too much to spend to build a website comparable in functionality to Lemmy?
To my knowledge, it runs a custom version of mastodon. Maybe they should donate some of their winnings to the project, should they manage to dump their stocks before the company goes bust.
Well that part is not surprising, most IPOs tank. What would come as a surprise to me is if it climbed back up.
I will never know firsthand, that’s for sure.
I wonder what conservative@lemm.ee thinks. They’re an entertaining bunch.
Sorry, I already showered today.
Apparently they don’t want to talk about it. The only post since the debate is an unrelated article fearmongering about Haitian immigrants.
The mod there is always doing that game where he winks about how the Democrats were the slave owners during the civil war, as if the numerous political realignments since then never happened.
I got banned yesterday for posting a speech by Lincoln where he was mocking slavers because they called themselves “conservatives” despite the fact that they wanted to break long-standing prohibitions and push slavery onto the rest of the country.
He apparently didn’t appreciate my demonstration that it’s always been ideological conservatives who are consistently weirdo fascist losers.
Pretty quiet so far. Took a peek and the only posts in the last day are about Ohio and the influx of Haitian immigrants and one person asking what everyone thought of the debate.
So far, that post has two comments, the most upvoted one said Harris won and is the better candidate; the other with the most downvotes said that neither did a good job, that there was no winner, and that the American people lost in the debate.
That’s great.
Here in my mixed political neighborhood, we have 3 houses with huge banners nailed to their fences, including a 40 ft long “FUCK BIDEN” one, a Christmas lights covered “Outlaws Trump & Vance” larp poster with them both in cowboy costumes and a few others.
We don’t talk to the crazy ones, of course. However the fuck Biden banner house has a really nice old lady in her 80s living in it, so very strange…
We don’t talk to the crazy ones, of course.
This is the only good thing about Trump signs. It lets me know who in the neighborhood to avoid.
I went ahead and took the liberty of posting a query in there… and surprisingly the top comment (probably wasn’t a member lol) was in favour of Kamala.
Lol, no one “did a good job” at the debate? Great assertion neur, now let’s see you back it up.
Pretty much what I’d expect from a trump supporter after that debate. They can’t openly come out and say Kamala dominated him… so they just grudgingly say neither did well and vaguely portend our ok imminent doom
My parents are longtime NPR fans but my mom was pissed today because NPR was basically saying this in their analysis.
The hero we needed
Just like Donald Trump is the “hero” our conservative friends deserve.
Dominated.
So cursed. Banish the demons!
Wow this is cursed. Accurate, but so cursed
Sigh… *zips*
Why would you do this?
Not my proudest fap, I’ll admit.
Doesn’t trump have bigger boobs?
The biggest!
Until this moment I did not sexualize Kamala Harris. Now I’m a little afraid of what fantasies you have awakened in me.
Gid bless you sir 🫡
Holy shit.
Work has been interesting so far. Not many of the huge Trumpers are discussing it and they discuss every time he cuddles out a fart. Most are saying they didn’t have the stomach to watch KuMALuh lie all night or the entire thing is rigged. There’s been one comment that her earrings were secretly devices to feed her the answers.
The trucker I swamp for has swapped rhetoric from “Kamala laughs like a hyena/ Trump is fine” to declarations about how he doesn’t care about politics and how maybe we should all just stop talking about it.
Very funny how fast that disengage happened.
Trumpets disengaging and not voting is probably the best we can hope for.
My parents, who aren’t hardcore trumpers but did vote for him last time aren’t voting and I consider that a massive win
If they skip the election it is a huge win. Change takes time.
How does one ‘swamp for’ a trucker? What new devilry is this?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swamper_(occupational_title)
Old devilry. The same sort that has union truck drivers called “Teamsters” even though most of them have never been near a horse or mule.
I’m a Teamster … and I’m a fucking school bus driver. When I signed up for the union I made a joke about getting a phone call at midnight to go down to the docks and break some kneecaps. The guy taking the forms un-ironically said “I wish we did that”.
Some Teamsters are wild man. One guy I rode with went on a whole thing about how he thought “Swamper” was such an outdated thing to call my position and I brought up the whole thing about how he wasn’t driving horses either and he went on a 40 minute tyrade about how very dare I/ it’s still called “horsepower” / proud history of the union…
Cocaine is one hell of a drug.
Ahhhhh. Thanks!
I doubt most of them watch it even when he was doing well. They just say they do and parrot whatever Fox tells them.
KuMALuh
To be fair, it’s hard not to say it that way if you’re a long time pro wrestling fan, lol
Absolute dumbasses. They are a liability to you and your employer.
Any time you hear someone openly supporting Trump at work, make an anonymous report to HR. Make it everyone’s problem.
I don’t get the hyperbolic responses to fucking everything by Trump. It’s always got to be biggest, best, worst, loudest. He fucking has no middle ground in any of the bullshit he spews.
I was so entertained when he brought up the immigrants eating pets and how he got called out for it by the moderator. There were a few times they straight up called him out.
Because his base apparently absolutely eats it up. They don’t like nuance. They like crisis and outrage and hate and things they don’t have to think too much about or have gray areas. They are purely good, the enemy is pure evil, etc.
The country is collapsing, she is the worst ever, etc. It’s easy.
Not all of his followers are like that, but holy shit is it way more than I ever would have guessed. And it works so goddamn well.
The last decade has been the sad and frustrating process of the world realizing how absolutely goddamn stupid a large portion of the country is
It’s surely a bit of culture too, the american hero, american films portraiting the good, the bad as 100% pure good/bad. Religion being omnipresent. Etc etc.
The stupidity is equal in all countries IMO.
No get off the couch and vote please! Because that seems to be another cultural thing in the USA, to not vote.
I don’t get the hyperbolic responses to fucking everything by Trump. It’s always got to be biggest, best, worst, loudest. He fucking has no middle ground in any of the bullshit he spews.
It’s simple word association. And subliminally, it works a lot better than you think it does. When you think of Trump, you think of words like “Biggest, best, loudest”, etc. You think of it because you know that Trump will use those words to lie about himself. But all Trump cares about is that you associate him with the words “biggest”, “best”, and “loudest”. He doesn’t care why.
It’s how he communicates. Short, easy to remember words and phrases that your brain will easily link with each other after enough repetition. Why your brain makes the connection is irrelevant. He only cares about the connection.
And if Trump is good at anything, he has absolutely mastered this skill.
That’s weird, cause the only words I associate with him are “bullshitter”, “con man”, “real estate swindler”, “narcissist”.
I recommend adding “rapist”, “convicted felon”, and “moron” to your list
Also “Russian asset” and “Saudi lapdog”.
It’s not weird at all, because you aren’t part of his brainwashed, dementia-riddled constituency.
At some point, I started noticing the same thing in a lot of Fox programming. If you watch Hells kitchen or tons of other fox shows. It’s the toughest challenge, for the first time, most dangerous.
It’s gotten to the point that I can’t ignore it, it’s like the Wilhelm scream.
Strange, the words i think of are more like: “narcissistic” “obnoxious” & “asshole” with a side of “moron” thrown in
“Send the message to the dumbest of your audience”
His face when she told him people left his rallies early was fucking priceless.
And yet, none of it will matter because anyone who had even been considering voting for the racist cheeto is infinitely entrenched and bound by their own logic.
Indeed, and note that Harris didn’t even attempt to go after his voters. The target is the middle and the squishy left, a reminder of what the stakes are in this election. She made it clear he was a petulant child, only caring about himself and the things important to him, and invited voters who want someone who doesn’t just care about themselves to come out and vote for her.
Hopefully it’s effective, because Trump has Project 2025 ready to go, despite his lies saying he knows nothing about it.
This headline, it makes Vladimir feel very jealous, da?
I couldn’t get myself to watch it, so it actually went well for Harris?
She seemed nervous with the first one or two questions, but the longer it went on the stronger she looked. Classy and professional was one way I heard her described. He was his usual self. Some memorable lines:
Don: “they’re eating pets” … “I have the concept of a plan…” Kam: “…he (Putin) would eat you for lunch…”
The way she laughed at the remark about eating cats and dogs, was exactly my reaction. Glorious!
“SHE WANTS TO GIVE TRANSEXUAL OPERATIONS TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS! IN PRISON!!!”
He all but broke down crying at points. I gotta get a soundboard clip of “it’s DYING David!” after like the fourth time he diverted and lied about immigration.
In the way Biden shit the bed she didn’t, which is to say Trump was and remains his own liability.
She just needed to respond to his bullshit like a sane human, and she did. She was nervous and you could see her reverting to “this is what I practiced” words a few times but frankly she only needed to not shit her adult diaper to win.
She did sieze a few moments to really push the dagger in, she did what Biden ought to have been able to do. Did she distinguish herself? Nope. Not to me EXCEPT relative to how the political discourse has been the last few years.
She’s still the same candidate I chose Bernie over.
BUT juxtaposed to Biden and Trump she’s a fresh of breath air.
She slammed it. Go find it on YouTube, it’s worth watching.
Yes. She handled him calmly, rationally, got in a few good shots, and kept him on defense. I don’t think there was one stumble, or moment she appeared weak against his bullying. She was actually the one playing him for once, and he shit the bed.
You don’t know that for sure, I bet he’s paid good money to be dominated even harder
I doubt it. He doesn’t pay the contractors he hires
He’s promised to pay good money to get pissed on!
Being dominated in a consensual way, takes a sort of self awareness and acceptance of your own weaknesses.
Trump lacks any self awareness, and has likely never been part of consensual domination.
Maybe some investigative journalist should check with Stormy Daniels?
You know she watched the debate. And got more pleasure from that than anything he ever did, second only to getting a hush money check from him.
I just get stuck on the interview I saw with her where she said she only accepted the payment so that there would be a paper trail that would make it harder to have her killed. She was legitimately afraid that she was going to get murdered on his orders if she didn’t have some kind of collateral or receipts.
OMG well that kills my dumb little joke then. I’m not deleting it, so hopefully other people who didn’t know about this will find your reply.
I’m not sure if it’s more awful because it’s innately horrible or because it’s that fn believable.
Did you know Venezuelan gangs are kidnapping and eating your dogs and cats?
Yeah the TV said so
I love that he said this, the guy who thinks the media are all liars. What a buffoon.
Somehow that’s more unhinged than “they’re get sex changes while in prison”
At least he now knows which one he wants to go to and has said it out loud.
Not really sure how unhinged this claim is. There are, of course, TS in prisons (and jails) in the U.S. They received special medical treatment and hormones paid for with public funds. They are permitted special privileges that other inmates are not permitted. I know, having seen and experienced it.
Did you see prisoners getting bottom surgeries? If you have a prescription the prisons are obligated to give you your meds but that isn’t what Trump was saying, let’s not make excuses for the guy.
Is that why Trump suggests the NY Economic Club should hold their next meeting in Venezuela?
“Next year, I’m going to suggest that the Economic Club hold its meeting in Caracas because we’ll be safer than we are in our country if they win. We’ll be far safer.”
https://singjupost.com/full-transcript-trump-speaks-at-the-economic-club-of-new-york
That was like watching a boxing match were the loser gets mad and picks a fight with the reff and gers his ass kicked by them too.
